Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion. Linda Orkin Ithaca, NY
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life. > > > On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do. >> Wouldn't you want the same done for you? >> >> Linda Orkin >> Ithaca, NY >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Why should we get involved at all? They are vagrants, moved out of >>> their normal range for whatever reason. They will either survive and >>> return home, or they won't. That's the way nature works. I think we >>> should stand back and let nature take its course and not get directly >>> involved. >>> >>> Will Raup >>> Glenmont, NY >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances? >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> Good discussion, >>> >>> Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm >>> climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some >>> good bugs in this weather. >>> >>> Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case >>> of emergency. Birds get sick fast. >>> >>> From one who lived with birds, Peter >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the >>> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few >>> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of >>> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go >>> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve >>> energy). >>> >>> >>> >>> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate >>> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of >>> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute >>> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder >>> traditional overwintering sites.) >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Hugh >>> McGuinness >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM >>> *To:* Orhan Birol >>> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L >>> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances? >>> >>> >>> >>> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become >>> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their >>> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more >>> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the >>> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects. >>> >>> Hugh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Sunday I observed both. >>> >>> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there. >>> >>> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the >>> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from >>> the cold. >>> >>> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. >>> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed. >>> >>> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Orhan Birol >>> >>> Shelter Island >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >>> >>> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >>> >>> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >>> >>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >>> >>> *Archives:* >>> >>> The Mail Archive >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l%40cornell.edu/maillist.html> >>> >>> Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >>> >>> BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >>> >>> *Please submit your observations to **eBird* >>> <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Hugh McGuinness >>> Washington, D.C. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >>> >>> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >>> >>> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >>> >>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >>> >>> *Archives:* >>> >>> The Mail Archive >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l%40cornell.edu/maillist.html> >>> >>> Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >>> >>> BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >>> >>> *Please submit your observations to **eBird* >>> <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >>> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >>> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >>> *Archives:* >>> The Mail Archive >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l%40cornell.edu/maillist.html> >>> Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >>> BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >>> *Please submit your observations to **eBird* >>> <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> petercolenphotography.com >>> -- >>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >>> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >>> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >>> *Archives:* >>> The Mail Archive >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l%40cornell.edu/maillist.html> >>> Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >>> BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >>> *Please submit your observations to **eBird* >>> <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* >>> -- >>> -- >>> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >>> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> >>> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> >>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >>> *Archives:* >>> The Mail Archive >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html> >>> Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> >>> BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> >>> *Please submit your observations to **eBird* >>> <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* >>> -- >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Veganism is simply the acknowledgment that a replaceable and fleeting >> pleasure isn't more valuable than someone's life and liberty. >> ~ Unknown >> >> If you permit >> this evil, what is the good >> of the good of your life? 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