It probably won’t apply in this case, but in general east of the eye is usually best- or along the ‘normal’ eastern seaboard, that would be north of the eye.
Mike Cooper Ridge, LI Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Peter Post <[email protected]> wrote: > > Experience has shown that most hurricane blown birds immediately return > out-to-sea. You have to get out there during the storm or as soon as possible > afterward. > > >> On Sep 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Purbita Saha wrote: >> >> Thank you Shai and Peter for these insights. What day do you recommend going >> out then to see what this devastating event dredges up? Saturday morning? >> (Sorry if you already mentioned). >> >> Cheers, >> Purbita Saha >> >>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 5:07 AM Shaibal Mitra <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> Dear Peter, >>> >>> It's amazing to hear these first-hand accounts of your experiences in past >>> storms! And yes, access could be an issue for any storm that directly >>> affects our area. But a major reason why I posted these summaries was to >>> show people with less experience the birding potential of storms, like >>> David, Fran, and Ernesto, that pass inland well to the west of us and pose >>> less of a direct weather challenge to us. I particularly recall Ernesto, >>> which after seemingly immense hype regarding direct threats to Long Island, >>> made landfall so far south and west that birders mainly ignored him. I >>> vividly recall driving over the bridges to the beach in the morning and >>> seeing Great South Bay's glassy, mirror-like surface--"it's a mill pond!" I >>> exclaimed to Pat, using indelicate expressions as well. Even so, we had >>> great birds that morning. Storms like dorian that churn past to the south >>> cause much more trouble and produce far fewer rarities for us than do >>> storms like David. >>> >>> Shai Mitra >>> Bay Shore >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Peter Post [[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:39 AM >>> To: Shaibal Mitra >>> Cc: NYSBIRDS ([email protected]) >>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Hurricane Dorian >>> >>> All well and good, but the problem nowadays is access, access, access! Or I >>> should say lack of access! >>> >>> I spent most of the Sept. 7th, 1979, during hurricane David, at Robert >>> Mosses SP. Every 10 or 15 minutes a small flock of Sooty Terns would fly by >>> with an occasional Bridled. By the end of the day I totaled 90 Sooty and 3 >>> Bridled. Nowadays that beach is closed during hurricanes! >>> >>> On Sept. 27, 1985, during hurricane Gloria, the Jones Beach strip was open >>> in the morning but closed in the afternoon unless you could prove you had a >>> house on the strip. And it's been closed during hurricanes ever since. The >>> authorities I am told are afraid of looting. As a result I missed the 3,000 >>> Cape May warblers that day, but I was able to get out to Pt. Lookout where >>> a Northern Phalarope was spinning in a puddle in the parking lot. And where >>> I had my first intermedius Lesser Black-backed Gull for NY. >>> >>> During hurricane Irene, August, 27, 2011, I went to Central Park in the >>> morning hoping to see some storm blown birds. I ignored the signs that the >>> park was closed. The City is afraid that they will be sued if a branch or >>> tree hits or kills someone. There was nothing of interest on the Great Lawn >>> and the reservoir was covered in thick flog. I passed several police who >>> ignored me but I ran into the parks Director of Operations, whom I knew, >>> and who tried to evict me. Later that afternoon I tried my luck at >>> Riverside Park, where I ran into Dale Dancis and was later joined by >>> Ardith Bondi. I added both Sooty and Bridled Terns, Wilson's and Leach's >>> Storm-Petrels, Royal Tern, and White-tailed Tropicbird to my NY County >>> list. Ardith had a large dark swift which I couldn't get on. Unfortunate, >>> because there was a Black Swift seen at Cape May that day! (All of this was >>> written up in the Linnaean Newsletter). The following year, during >>> hurricane Sandy, one couldn't get near the Hudson River. They authorities >>> threatened us with arrest if we didn't leave. We had to hide as best we >>> could. But before being kicked out I added Oystercatcher and Black Scoter >>> to my NY Co., list. >>> >>> If it isn't the closing of areas it's the downing of trees/power lines. >>> During one hurricane years ago I got as far as Bridgehampton. Downed tress >>> blocked my way from going any further east or to the beaches. When I tried >>> going back home a recently downed tree blocked my return. I wound up >>> spending the afternoon in the Bridgehampton High School which had been >>> setup as a shelter. Free coffee and donuts.Tony Lauro and Paul Buckley >>> managed to make it to Montauk Pt., but had to use a chainsaw to get there. >>> >>> Peter Post >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Shaibal Mitra wrote: >>> >>> > The earliest models for Dorian’s track indicated a likelihood that the >>> > storm would track almost due north and pass to the west of Long Island—or >>> > at least parts of Long Island. This is the scenario that is likely to >>> > produce tropical terns and other Gulf Stream birds onshore on Long >>> > Island. With many people talking about Dorian and buzzing over the >>> > potential for storm birds, I’ve pulled out maps and bird data for several >>> > storms that passed west of or across Long Island near this date: David >>> > (1979), Fran (1996), Floyd (1999), Ernesto (2006), and Irene (2011)—all >>> > of these were productive for storm birds. >>> > >>> > For better or worse, at this point, it appears that Dorian will almost >>> > certainly whip out to sea to the south and east of us, as so many >>> > tropical systems do. Storms of this sort often interrupt the >>> > trans-oceanic migrations of species that would otherwise pass over us >>> > (various shorebirds, jaegers, Black Tern, etc.), but they do not bring >>> > tropical terns, etc. >>> > >>> > (Note: my obvious desire to see storm birds has NO influence on the >>> > weather and is not responsible for any harm or good wrought by any storm; >>> > the storm will do what it does, and we may simply wish to be prepared for >>> > the ornithological as well as other consequences). >>> > >>> > Shai Mitra >>> > Bay Shore >>> > >>> > >>> > 1979 Major Hurricane David >>> > >>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/1979/Major-Hurricane-David >>> > >>> > From Richard L. Ferren, summarizing effects in Rhode Island: “A minimum >>> > of 62 Sooty Terns, at least five Bridled Terns, and a Brown Noddy passed >>> > Point Judith heading northeastward in the very late afternoon hours, with >>> > additional Sooties audibly passing the point after dark. Other Sooties >>> > were found dead at Napatree Point and seen exhausted inland at Kingston, >>> > while eight oystercatchers appeared at Napatree. More Sandwich Terns were >>> > seen the next day. Five Royal, 16 Black, and one Gull-billed Tern, and >>> > three Black Skimmers were also seen. A flock of 68 Red and six Red-necked >>> > Phalaropes at Galilee, and a Red-necked Phalarope and seven Black Terns >>> > were seen inland at Richmond the day of the storm; eight oystercatchers >>> > at Napatree the day after was then a large number. A final total of seven >>> > Sandwich Terns was a maximum count for the state at the time.” >>> > >>> > >>> > 1996 Major Hurricane Fran >>> > >>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/1996/Major-Hurricane-Fran >>> > >>> > morning: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S20370719 >>> > morning: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S20370663 >>> > evening: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S20467354 >>> > next day: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S20467579 >>> > >>> > >>> > 1999 Major Hurricane Floyd >>> > >>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/1999/Major-Hurricane-Floyd >>> > >>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S24442955 >>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S27002826 >>> > >>> > >>> > 2006 Hurricane Ernesto >>> > >>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2006/Hurricane-Ernesto >>> > >>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S24420867 >>> > >>> > >>> > 2011 Hurricane Irene >>> > >>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2011/Hurricane-Irene >>> > >>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S8737686 >>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S8737724 >>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S8737900 >>> > https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S8737940 >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>> > >>> > ARCHIVES: >>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html >>> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >>> > >>> > Please submit your observations to eBird: >>> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>> >>> ARCHIVES: >>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html >>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >>> >>> Please submit your observations to eBird: >>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>> >>> -- >>> >> >> -- >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> Welcome and Basics >> Rules and Information >> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >> Archives: >> The Mail Archive >> Surfbirds >> ABA >> Please submit your observations to eBird! >> -- > > -- > NYSbirds-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > ABA > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
