I don’t know about fighting. I disagree with your advice, and am cautioning others before they take it - people other than the OP will be learning from this thread.
:-) > On 10/11/2017, at 2:58 PM, Nathan Brookfield > <nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> wrote: > > I don’t know why you’re arguing with me, neither of us know whether they are > using BGP already internally, they may just have Ebgp and static routes > internally, I’m just offering a suggestion. > > Move on with your day 😊 > > Kindest Regards, > Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB) > > Chief Executive Officer > Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd > > Local: (02) 4749 4949 | Fax: (02) 4749 4950 | Direct: (02) 4749 4951 > Web: http://www.simtronic.com.au <http://www.simtronic.com.au/> | E-mail: > nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au <mailto:nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > > The information contained in this email and any attached files is strictly > private and confidential. 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Simtronic Technologies Pty > Ltd does NOT accept liability for any loss or damage (whether direct, > indirect, consequential, economic or other) however caused, whether by > negligence or otherwise, which may result directly or indirectly from this > communication or any files attached. > > > From: Nathan Ward [mailto:nz...@daork.net] > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 12:54 PM > To: Nathan Brookfield <nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> > Cc: Stan Rivett <s...@netspeed.net.nz>; nznog <NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: Re: [nznog] BRAS Options > > One expects that BGP is already in place there - why complicate it by having > some routes in OSPF and some in BGP, then have to re-arrange things when your > network grows? Very common small ISP mistake that can be a PITA to correct > when you’re 5 times the size (as everyone hopes to be) and doesn’t buy you > anything in the mean time. > > > On 10/11/2017, at 2:50 PM, Nathan Brookfield > <nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au > <mailto:nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au>> wrote: > > I don’t disagree but when you’ve got /32’s coming and going between a few > 7301’s as they may be bounced around from LAC’s, OSPF can be the simplest and > most effective way to skin the cat and keeps it easy for a small deployment > like that. > > Kindest Regards, > Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB) > > Chief Executive Officer > Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd > > Local: (02) 4749 4949 | Fax: (02) 4749 4950 | Direct: (02) 4749 4951 > Web: http://www.simtronic.com.au <http://www.simtronic.com.au/> | E-mail: > nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au <mailto:nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > > The information contained in this email and any attached files is strictly > private and confidential. 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Simtronic Technologies Pty > Ltd does NOT accept liability for any loss or damage (whether direct, > indirect, consequential, economic or other) however caused, whether by > negligence or otherwise, which may result directly or indirectly from this > communication or any files attached. > > > From: Nathan Ward [mailto:nz...@daork.net <mailto:nz...@daork.net>] > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 12:48 PM > To: Nathan Brookfield <nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au > <mailto:nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au>> > Cc: Stan Rivett <s...@netspeed.net.nz <mailto:s...@netspeed.net.nz>>; nznog > <NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz>> > Subject: Re: [nznog] BRAS Options > > Don’t do that. Put customer routes in to BGP, use OSPF only to carry your > loopbacks and router-router links for iBGP to use. > Keep your OSPF small, and your BGP big - it’s what they’re both good at. > > (OSPF and ISIS are interchangeable here) > > > > On 10/11/2017, at 2:45 PM, Nathan Brookfield > <nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au > <mailto:nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au>> wrote: > > Just running OSPF between them all wouldn’t solve that problem for you and > worst case MPLS within a VRF? > > Kindest Regards, > Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB) > > Chief Executive Officer > Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd > > Local: (02) 4749 4949 | Fax: (02) 4749 4950 | Direct: (02) 4749 4951 > Web: http://www.simtronic.com.au <http://www.simtronic.com.au/> | E-mail: > nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au <mailto:nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE > > The information contained in this email and any attached files is strictly > private and confidential. 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Simtronic Technologies Pty > Ltd does NOT accept liability for any loss or damage (whether direct, > indirect, consequential, economic or other) however caused, whether by > negligence or otherwise, which may result directly or indirectly from this > communication or any files attached. > > > From: nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz > <mailto:nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz> > [mailto:nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz > <mailto:nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz>] On Behalf Of Stan Rivett > Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:52 AM > To: nznog <NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz>> > Subject: Re: [nznog] BRAS Options > > > The multiple 7301 track was were I had been heading with one in Christchurch > and one in Auckland. The problem is that most of our clients are RBI and we > have no control over which router they appear on from our connections to > Vodafone. That would be OK if we used dynamic IPs but we don't and its way > too late to go back from that. > > Stan Rivett > ------------------ > Netspeed > PO Box 5691 > Dunedin > P: +64 3 481 7245 > C: +64 21 323 841 > ------------------ > > On 8 November 2017 at 12:34, Sam Silvester <sam.silves...@gmail.com > <mailto:sam.silves...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hivemind :) > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Gavin Tweedie <gavin.twee...@megaport.com > <mailto:gavin.twee...@megaport.com>> wrote: > Can you tell Sam and I used to work at the same company? :) > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Sam Silvester <sam.silves...@gmail.com > <mailto:sam.silves...@gmail.com>> wrote: > To a point, the number of subscribers doesn't matter as much as the > throughput. If you're looking at 16k+ subs on a single box, you probably need > to start being a little careful but otherwise just make sure you've got a > decent RP and you should be right. > > If you simply need to shift (say) 10Gbps of traffic with "more than a few > thousand" but say less than 16k, then anything in the ASR range with an RP2 > and ESP40 will almost certainly be ample. > > Another thought, considering you mention the 7301, is to scale out > horizontally - it's not clear if you're already doing this. The nice bit > about that also is you could have a few 7201s sharing the load 4 ways, which > means your IP pool overhead to cater for a box failure is also much less than > running only two boxes. > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Dave Mill <d...@mill.net.nz > <mailto:d...@mill.net.nz>> wrote: > A Juniper MX40 or MX80 seems to meet your needs there - depending on exact > subscriber figures. From memory if every customer is in QinQ you won't be > able to have more than 8000 on a MX80 series chassis due to interface limits. > > Dave > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Stan Rivett <s...@netspeed.net.nz > <mailto:s...@netspeed.net.nz>> wrote: > Crikey, thanks for all the replies > > Yes we need 10 Gbit, at least 3 ports and I'd rather not be too specific > about numbers but more than a few thousand. > > Apologies for being a bit of a cheap bugger but you know what its like as an > SME, it all comes out of my pocket ;-) > > Cheers > > Stan Rivett > ------------------ > Netspeed > PO Box 5691 > Dunedin > P: +64 3 481 7245 <tel:+64%203-481%207245> > C: +64 21 323 841 <tel:+64%2021%20323%20841> > ------------------ > > On 8 November 2017 at 11:14, Tim Price <t...@initech.co.nz > <mailto:t...@initech.co.nz>> wrote: > Juniper MX5 + licensing shouldn’t cost you more than $30k depending on your > Juniper partner status and where you buy it from. > > From: <nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz > <mailto:nznog-boun...@list.waikato.ac.nz>> on behalf of Stan Rivett > <s...@netspeed.net.nz <mailto:s...@netspeed.net.nz>> > Date: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 11:02 AM > To: nznog <NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz>> > Subject: [nznog] BRAS Options > > Hi all > > The time has come to replace my poor old Cisco 7301 and the quote I got for > an ASR1002-HX made my eyes water. Still waiting for a Juniper quote but the > general discussion seemed like similar numbers. > > Are there any other reliable options out there that don't cost more than my > first house? > > Cheers > > Stan Rivett > ------------------ > Netspeed > PO Box 5691 > Dunedin > P: +64 3 481 7245 <tel:03-481%207245> > C: +64 21 323 841 <tel:021%20323%20841> > ------------------ > _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing > listnz...@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz> > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz> > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz> > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz> > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> > > > > -- > Global Interconnection Director > Megaport <https://www.megaport.com/> > +61 498 498 458 <tel:+61%20498%20498%20458> > > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz> > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz <mailto:NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz> > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog > <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>
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