Hi Don,

That's all good info.  I won't argue with you Don.  It's definitely
given me something to think about before my first visit to the
accountant


On Nov 26, 9:11 pm, Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kent Parker wrote:
> > Interesting costing system Don, but hardly of much relevance to a
> > student.  
>
> It's all relevant and especially to students.
>
> As as student, if you one day want to move on to doing programming as a
> full time job, you'll want to understand this stuff.
>
> > It's of very little relevance to me either and I've been
> > full time freelancer for 8 months.  Because I'm not charging $70 an
> > hour I spend 40 hours a week on billable work.  It's been several
> > months since I've had to seek work and I am full up until February at
> > least.
>
> Ok, that comment just suggests to me that you didn't understand the
> purpose of the template, hence I've updated it with some colour and more
> info.
>
> In your case you should put your own numbers in.  If you can get 40
> hours billable and still put some time back in to FLOSS development and
> community support that's great!
>
> > If you are spending 20 hours a week seeking potential work then that
> > is a sure sign you are charging too much.
>
> It could also suggest that you want a better quality of work life.  You
> don't want to have to code hard out all day every day for 8 hours a day
> but still want to make a reasonable wage - would you call $55k unreasonable?
>
>
>
> > Because I work from home, petrol and rent are irrelevant.  
>
> Wrong.
>
> Petrol to visit your clients and suppliers is relevant.
>
> Rent is tax deductable.
>
> >IRD
> > wouldn't let me even if I tried to include rent as a business
> > expense.  
>
> Wrong - we claimed 30% last year alone.
>
> > At least half those items are totally irrelevant to
> > freelancers and apply only to software houses.
>
> Wrong - other than the data projector, I claimed all of those last year.
>
>
>
> > The normal market process is that freelancer starts off with a
> > competitive rate because they have less overheads.  If freelancer
> > succeeds and gets reputation then freelancer becomes established
> > business, employs staff and charges more on the basis of reputation/
> > brand.
>
> Perhaps on your moon :)  I've spent years doing freelance stuff and
> don't currently have plans to employ staff though I do use contractors.
>
> > Don't want to spoil your fun
>
> No fun spoiled at all.  :)
>
> You're views are very welcomed here...  though I don't agree with you,
> think you're just wrong on some counts, you've raised some really good
> points and highlighted that I failed to explain my point well in the
> first instance.
>
> Spoiling the fun would have been to just ignore my error!
>
> > but this costing is too much too soon for
> > any newbie.
>
> If this costing is to much for a newbi who is wanting to be a good PHP
> programmer then, with respect, I suggest they go off and get a job at KMart.
>
> You may not recall, but the orginal post was about how much to charge.
> Most people responded with comments centered around charging a market
> rate so as not to disturb the market.
>
> I responded by saying that answer is unacceptable.  It's, in part, not
> ok because the current market rate may be being set by a large player
> who has a reason to drive market prices down.
>
> The correct answer to the question is to cost out what you should be
> charging then work from there.
>
> Cheers Don
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