To be clear, I think signatures are important, and I think that standardizing 
them would be really useful. One of the early complaints about OAuth 1.0 was 
that the signature mechanism was different than the OpenID mechanism. Having a 
standard signature mechanism in this space seems like a good thing. Having a 
signature mechanism be an optional part of the OAuth spec makes them less 
appealing to others.

I also think that standard tokens are really useful, and that they would be 
useful in other places besides OAuth, which is why they are in a different spec.

On 2010-09-25, at 7:54 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote:

> My logic is that your suggested organization is based on your personal 
> preferences and what you consider core. If I applied my personal preference, 
> half of core would be elsewhere. My point is that deciding signatures is the 
> part belonging elsewhere is completely subjective to how important one think 
> it is.
> 
> EHL
> 
> 
> On 9/24/10 10:43 PM, "Dick Hardt" <dick.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't follow your logic ... or perhaps I don't see why the spec needs to be 
> written in more than two parts.
> 
> For example, the current spec does not specify the format of the token -- 
> which keeps it simpler and straight forward. There are separate draft specs 
> for standardizing the token. Similarly, I think the spec could be written to 
> not include signatures, and put signatures into a different, reusable spec. 
> If you would like help with that organization, I'll volunteer. :)
> 
> -- Dick
> 
> On 2010-09-24, at 7:24 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote:
> 
> I’m happy to do that. But I will be breaking the spec into more than two 
> parts. Basically, I will be creating a version that does not force anyone to 
> read anything they might not care about. Clearly, we shouldn’t based 
> editorial decisions on what you want to read :-)
> 
> EHL
> 
> 
> On 9/24/10 5:21 PM, "Dick Hardt" <dick.ha...@gmail.com 
> <x-msg://14/dick.ha...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> -1 in core
> 
> +1 to being referenced in core and being a separate document
> 
> On 2010-09-23, at 6:43 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote:
> 
> > Since much of this recent debate was done off list, I'd like to ask people
> > to simply express their support or objection to including a basic signature
> > feature in the core spec, in line with the 1.0a signature approach.
> >
> > This is not a vote, just taking the temperature of the group.
> >
> > EHL
> >
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> 
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