I am entirely confused. I understand what everybody is saying for confidential clients, no problem here.
I fall apart when thinking of iPhone apps. Consider the scenario where I deploy a video server, and write an iPhone app to talk to the video server. The video server is under the control of a police agency, and police officers must logon to the video server in order to access video content. So the police office launches their iPhone video client app. 1) If I wanted to solve authentication using "traditional" client-server authentication, the user enters their username / password into the client, and the client sends the username / password off to the server, which authenticates it, or possibly uses HTTP digest. 2) If I wanted to use OpenID, the client would attempt to reach the video server (RP), the server would redirect the client to the OP, OP authenticates user, and OP redirects client back to the server/RP with an assertion that primary authentication was successful. 3) If I wanted to use OAuth, the client would send an authorization request to the server's AS, which would authenticate the user of the client, and ultimately result in the client possessing an access-token. My thinking is that this access token (let's assume it's a JWT) would contain the user's identity, a statement of what type of primary authentication was used (auth context), an expiration, and an audience claim. This sounds a lot like authentication to me, and it's where I get confused. Is it just because OAuth does not explicitly define this? Is there a threat in using OAuth as I describe? 4) If I wanted to use Connect, well I'm not even sure how the id_token as defined by Connect helps this use case. The id_token seems to make sense when the client is a confidential web server, but it's not clear what an iPhone app would do with the id_token ... it's the server in the backend that needs to authenticate the user, the iPhone app is just an interface to talk to the server. And it seems as I learn more about connect that the id_token is not meant to be sent from the iPhone app to the server, just the access token. So it's really not clear how Connect helps solve authentication for an iPhone client app talking to a video server. If I'm sending access-tokens, it's just OAuth again. What am I still missing? adam From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kristofor Selden Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:33 AM To: nov matake; oauth Cc: Yuchen Zhou; Luke Melia; Shuo Chen (MSR) Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Report an authentication issue Nov demonstrated the problem to us at Yapp and we used solution 4 (because the solution is server side and our app was in the app store). FB Connect is authentication and authorization, where OAuth 2 is concerned only with authorization - I'm not sure that app developers appreciate this subtlety. With OAuth 2 you authorize an app to use a protected resource. With FB Connect, you do that, but also authenticate with the app you are authorizing. So the access_token protects not just the FB resources but the auth end point of the authorized app (very common with apps that use the iOS SDK). So now the app needs a way to verify that it was the app that was authorized to FB. Solution 4 explanation: on FB you can register a iPhone app and a server app with the same client_id and get a client_secret for use on the server. The server side API posts the access_token, client_id, and client_secret to https://graph.facebook.com/app<https://graph.facebook.com/app?access_token=YOUR_TOKEN> to verify that the bearer token actually belongs to the app that is being authenticated before assuming they are authorized to the app's protected resources. Kris On Jun 15, 2012, at 8:22 PM, nov matake wrote: There are 4 ways to fix this issue. 1. Use response_type=token%20code (It's not in OAuth 2.0 Core, but seems best way for interoperability) 2. Use singed_request (or some signed token like JWT) 3. Use grant_type=fb_exchange_token (Facebook custom way) 4. Access to https://graph.facebook.com/app?access_token=YOUR_TOKEN (Facebook custom way, moreover undocumented API) Two iPhone app developers I reported this issue fixed it by using (4). I also tried to use (1) for my own iPhone app implementation, but unfortunately it doesn't work when using authorization codes obtained via FB iOS SDK. So I'm using (3) in my case. nov On 2012/06/16, at 9:16, Nat Sakimura wrote: As to how the fix was done, Nov can provide more detail, but ... 1. Properly verify the signature/HMAC of the "signed_request". This will essentially audience restricts the token. 2. There is an undocumented API for Facebook which returns to whom the token was issued. This also audience restricts the token. The service that fixed took these measures. Note that none of the above is defined in OAuth. The same facility was called "id_token" and "check ID endpoint" for OpenID Connect. The scale of the impact is large, too large to disclose the actual names in the public list, though, eventually, we would publish them in a paper. Nat On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Francisco Corella <fcore...@pomcor.com<mailto:fcore...@pomcor.com>> wrote: Hi Nat and Rui, Rui, you say that the vulnerability that you found was due to a "common misunderstanding among developers", but the attack you describe can be carried out against any app that uses the OAuth "implicit grant flow", which Facebook calls "client-side authentication". No misunderstanding seems necessary. What misunderstanding are you referring to? I followed the link in your message to the Sophos post, and from there the link to the article in The Register. The article in The Register says that Facebook had "fixed the vulnerability promptly". How did they fix it? The instructions that Facebook provides for implementing "Client-side authentication without the JS SDK" at https://developers.facebook.com/docs/authentication/client-side/#no-jssdk still allows the attack. Nat, I agree that the blog post by John Bradley that you link to refers to the same vulnerability reported by Rui. You say that some apps have issued a patch to fix it. Could you explain what the fix was? Francisco ________________________________ From: Nat Sakimura <sakim...@gmail.com<mailto:sakim...@gmail.com>> To: rui wang <ruiwangw...@gmail.com<mailto:ruiwangw...@gmail.com>> Cc: matake nov <n...@matake.jp<mailto:n...@matake.jp>>; Yuchen Zhou <t-yuz...@microsoft.com<mailto:t-yuz...@microsoft.com>>; oauth <oauth@ietf.org<mailto:oauth@ietf.org>>; Shuo Chen (MSR) <shuoc...@microsoft.com<mailto:shuoc...@microsoft.com>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Report an authentication issue This is a fairly well known (hopefully by now) issue. We, at the OpenID Foundation, call it "access_token phishing" attack these days. See: http://www.thread-safe.com/2012/01/problem-with-oauth-for-authentication.html Nov Matake has actually built the code on iPhone to verify the problem, and has notified bunch of parties back in February including Facebook and Apple. We have the code that actually runs on a phone, and we have successfully logged in to bunch of apps, including very well known ones. They were all informed of the issue. Some immediately issued a patch to fix it while others have not. The problem is that even if these apps gets fixed, the problem does not go away. As long as the attacker has the vulnerable version of the app, he still can impersonate the victim. To stop it, the server side has to completely disable the older version, which means the service has to cut off many users pausing business problems. Nat On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:18 AM, rui wang <ruiwangw...@gmail.com<mailto:ruiwangw...@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Facebook Security Team and OAuth Standard group, We are a research team in Microsoft Research. In January, 2011, we reported a vulnerability in Facebook Connect which allowed everyone to sign into Facebook-secured relying parties without password. It was promptly fixed after reporting. (http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/02/02/facebook-flaw-websites-steal-personal-data/) Recently, we found a common misunderstanding among developers of mobile/metro apps when using OAuth (including Facebook's OAuth) for authentication. The vulnerability resulted from this misunderstanding also allows an attacker to log into a victim user's account without password. Let's take Soluto's metro app as an example to describe the problem. The app supports Facebook Login. As an attacker, we can write a regular Facebook app. Once the victim user allows our app to access her Facebook data, we receive an access_token from the traffic. Then, on our own machine (i.e., the "attacker" machine), we run the metro app of Soluto, and use a HTTP proxy to insert the victim's access_token into the traffic of Facebook login. Through this way, we are able to log into the victim's Soluto account from our machine. Other than Soluto, we also have confirmed the same issue on another Windows 8 metro-app Givit. The Facebook SDK for Android apps (https://developers.facebook.com/docs/mobile/android/build/#sdk) seems to have the possibility to mislead developers too. At least, the issue that we found is not clearly mentioned. In the SDK, we ran the sample code called "Hackbook" using Android Emulator (imagine it is an attacker device). Note that we have already received the access token of the victim user from our regular Facebook app. We then inject the token to the traffic of Hackbook. Through this way, Hackbook app on our own machine recognizes us as the victim. Note that this is not a convincing security exploit yet, because this sample code does not include the server-side code. However, given that we have seen real server-side code having this problem, such as Soluto, Givit and others, we do believe that the sample code can mislead mobile/metro developers. We also suspect that this may be a general issue of many OAuth implementations on mobile platforms, so we send this message to OAuth Standard group as well. We have contacted the vendors of the two vulnerable metro-apps, Soluto and Gavit. Please kindly give us an ack when you receive this message. If you want to know more details, please let us know. Best Regards, Yuchen Zhou, Rui Wang, and Shuo Chen _______________________________________________ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org<mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) Chairman, OpenID Foundation http://nat.sakimura.org/ @_nat_en _______________________________________________ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org<mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) Chairman, OpenID Foundation http://nat.sakimura.org/ @_nat_en _______________________________________________ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org<mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth _______________________________________________ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org<mailto:OAuth@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth
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