What would you suggest for wording here, then? Keeping in mind that we
cannot (and don't want to) prohibit expression-based scopes.
-- Justin
On 04/15/2013 10:33 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
No, I mean it’s not interoperable at the software-developer level. I
can’t register scopes at authorization time with any predictable
effect that I can write code to support, either client or server side,
without out-of-line non-interoperable knowledge about the behavior of
the server.
I guess I’m just not used to OAuth’s culture of having no expectation
that things will be specified tightly enough that I can write code to
implement as specified. -T
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Justin Richer <jric...@mitre.org
<mailto:jric...@mitre.org>> wrote:
Scopes aren't meant to be interoperable between services since
they're necessarily API-specific. The only interoperable bit is
that there's *some* place to put the values and that it's
expressed as a bag of space-separated strings. How those strings
get interpreted and enforced (which is really what's at stake
here) is up to the AS and PR (or a higher-level protocol like UMA).
-- Justin
On 04/15/2013 10:13 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
This, as written, has zero interoperability. I think this
feature can really only be made useful in the case where scopes
are fixed strings.
-T
On Apr 15, 2013 6:54 AM, "Justin Richer" <jric...@mitre.org
<mailto:jric...@mitre.org>> wrote:
You are correct that the idea behind the "scope" parameter at
registration is a constraint on authorization-time scopes
that are made available. It's both a means for the client to
request a set of valid scopes and for the server to provision
(and echo back to the client) a set of valid scopes.
I *really* don't want to try to define a matching language
for scope expressions. For that to work, all servers would
need to be able to process the regular expressions for all
clients, even if the servers themselves only support
simple-string scope values. Any regular expression syntax we
pick here is guaranteed to be incompatible with something,
and I think the complexity doesn't buy much. Also, I think
you suddenly have a potential security issue if you have a
bad regex in place on either end.
As it stands today, the server can interpret the incoming
registration scopes and enforce them however it wants to. The
real trick comes not from assigning the values to a
particular client but to enforcing them, and I think that's
always going to be service-specific. We're just not as clear
on that as we could be.
After looking over everyone's comments so far, I'd like to
propose the following text for that section:
scope
OPTIONAL. Space separated list of scope values (as described in
OAuth 2.0Section 3.3 [RFC6749]
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#section-3.3>) that the client can use when
requesting access tokens. As scope values are service-specific,
the Authorization Server MAY define its own matching rules when
determining if a scope value used during an authorization request
is valid according to the scope values assigned during
registration. Possible matching rules include wildcard patterns,
regular expressions, or exactly matching the string. If omitted,
an Authorization Server MAY register a Client with a default
set of scopes.
Comments? Improvements?
-- Justin
On 04/14/2013 08:23 PM, Manger, James H wrote:
Presumably at app registration time any scope specification is really a
constraint on the scope values that can be requested in an authorization flow.
So ideally registration should accept rules for matching scopes, as
opposed to actual scope values.
You can try to use scope values as their own matching rules. That is fine for a small set of
"static" scopes. It starts to fail when there are a large number of scopes, or scopes that can
include parameters (resource paths? email addresses?). You can try to patch those failures by allowing
services to define service-specific special "wildcard" scope values that can only be used during
registration (eg "read:*").
Alternatively, replace 'scope' in registration with 'scope_regex' that
holds a regular expression that all scope values in an authorization flow must
match.
--
James Manger
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