Anil,
the challenge is that OIDC is a rather large set of specifications, and
to my knowledge even the core specification has NOT found
a complete implementation at any large IdP. I am not talking here about
boutique toolkits or startups, I am talking about the folks
who have 100s of millions of users. And, BTW, implementing a few
arbitrarily selected features from OIDC is not the same as implementing
OIDC.
As we all know, the core problem is that of adding an authenticator
token to OAuth flows, which is a rather modest extension to OAuth.
I had personally requested the OIDC community about six months ago to
describe some minimal subset which we could all reasonably implement. I
was told that the specification was "locked down" and fully debugged
and so on, so no changes could be made. Imagine my surprise to find that
in the final drafts there was a whole new flow - the hybrid flow - that
had been added at the last minute. I had never heard of the hybrid flow
in the OAuth context - have you? So now you have an even larger
specification!
The value of draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-01 is that it describes
precisely a minimal extension to OAuth flows to support an authenticator
token. In my experience, this is the subset that most customers and
implementors are looking for.
- prateek
Tony/Phil,
any chance you can have this work done at OIDC?
The reason is that it is commonly understood/accepted now that OAuth
provides authorization related specs while authentication/profile
related specs are coming from OIDC (which builds on top of OAuth2).
Regards,
Anil
On 05/14/2014 10:47 AM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:
I agree with Phil on this one, there are implementations of this
already and much interest
*From:*OAuth [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Hunt
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:32 AM
*To:* Brian Campbell
*Cc:* oauth@ietf.org
*Subject:* Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Milestone Update and Rechartering
On the contrary. I and others are interested.
We are waiting for the charter to pick up the work.
Regardless there will be a new draft shortly.
Phil
On May 14, 2014, at 5:24, Brian Campbell <bcampb...@pingidentity.com
<mailto:bcampb...@pingidentity.com>> wrote:
I would object to 'OAuth Authentication' being picked up by the
WG as a work item. The starting point draft has expired and it
hasn't really been discusses since Berlin nearly a year ago. As
I recall, there was only very limited interest in it even then. I
also don't believe it fits well with the WG charter.
I would suggest the WG consider picking up 'OAuth Symmetric Proof
of Possession for Code Extension' for which there is an excellent
starting point of
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sakimura-oauth-tcse-03 - it's a
relativity simple security enhancement which addresses problems
currently being encountered in deployments of native clients.
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Hannes Tschofenig
<hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net <mailto:hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net>> wrote:
Hi all,
you might have seen that we pushed the assertion documents
and the JWT
documents to the IESG today. We have also updated the
milestones on the
OAuth WG page.
This means that we can plan to pick up new work in the group.
We have sent a request to Kathleen to change the milestone
for the OAuth
security mechanisms to use the proof-of-possession terminology.
We also expect an updated version of the dynamic client
registration
spec incorporating last call feedback within about 2 weeks.
We would like you to think about adding the following
milestones to the
charter as part of the re-chartering effort:
-----
Nov 2014 Submit 'Token introspection' to the IESG for
consideration as a
Proposed Standard
Starting point: <draft-richer-oauth-introspection-04>
Jan 2015 Submit 'OAuth Authentication' to the IESG for
consideration as
a Proposed Standard
Starting point: <draft-hunt-oauth-v2-user-a4c-01>
Jan 2015 Submit 'Token Exchange' to the IESG for
consideration as a
Proposed Standard
Starting point: <draft-jones-oauth-token-exchange-00>
-----
We also updated the charter text to reflect the current
situation. Here
is the proposed text:
-----
Charter for Working Group
The Web Authorization (OAuth) protocol allows a user to grant a
third-party Web site or application access to the user's
protected
resources, without necessarily revealing their long-term
credentials,
or even their identity. For example, a photo-sharing site that
supports OAuth could allow its users to use a third-party
printing Web
site to print their private pictures, without allowing the
printing
site to gain full control of the user's account and without
having the
user share his or her photo-sharing sites' long-term
credential with
the printing site.
The OAuth 2.0 protocol suite encompasses
* a protocol for obtaining access tokens from an authorization
server with the resource owner's consent,
* protocols for presenting these access tokens to resource server
for access to a protected resource,
* guidance for securely using OAuth 2.0,
* the ability to revoke access tokens,
* standardized format for security tokens encoded in a JSON
format
(JSON Web Token, JWT),
* ways of using assertions with OAuth, and
* a dynamic client registration protocol.
The working group also developed security schemes for presenting
authorization tokens to access a protected resource. This led
to the
publication of the bearer token, as well as work that remains
to be
completed on proof-of-possession and token exchange.
The ongoing standardization effort within the OAuth working
group will
focus on enhancing interoperability and functionality of OAuth
deployments, such as a standard for a token introspection
service and
standards for additional security of OAuth requests.
-----
Feedback appreciated.
Ciao
Hannes & Derek
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