if you upset pls think with cool headed man, not like childreen, sudden judge
the other or yelling at, hope you and we all take a learn from this happen
correct me if i'm wrong
thx
regards
(bukan siapa-siapa dan tidak ingin menjadi siapa-siapa)
--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Vaulstrad <vaulst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Vaulstrad <vaulst...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE
BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 4:36 AM
Like i say before I have no reason except that i am disappointed with the
leader. I do not even know him. That my mistake. I am sorry for that.
I add that margin call all bullshit because i am just upset at that moment. I
realise now that i make mistake and do not think properly at that time.
So there is no reason to follow this up. Like i say i am sorry.
Everyone have the right to be upset. maybe mine is just too much.
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "Ruz7" <indeksbei3000@ ...> wrote:
>
> The article is not yours, but this statement is :
> Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(
> > > Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
> > > call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
> > > tertentu....
>
> May I Know the reason behind that statement ?
>
> Btw: Tanda Alam, Milis Dibikin Rame. RUPS sebentar lagi. :)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Vaulstrad" <vaulst...@. ..>
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:16:23
> To: <obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com>
> Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE
> BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
>
>
> I guess it is about how you stand.
>
> first for that article, i am not the writer.
>
> Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI
> still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how
> you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome.
> If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour.
>
> This is call independent.
>
> I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority
> shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take
> longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Aria Santoso <ariasantoso@ > wrote:
> >
> > Dear PH,
> > I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law & ethics.
> >
> > Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us;
> > however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so
> > we can't take any legal action.
> > In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us.
> > It's about ethics in social relationship.
> >
> > Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to
> > ensure that you will settle it.
> >
> > Cordially,
> > Ace
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE
> > BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
> > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: PHâ„¢ <vaulstrad@>
> > Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
> > To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> >
> >
> > PHâ„¢ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(
> > > Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
> > > call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
> > > tertentu....
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---------
> > >
> > >
> > > Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’
> > >
> > > In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the
> > > Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the
> > > market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe,
> > > nothing much has changed.
> > >
> > > However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse
> > > and the regulator â€" not to mention the interests of small investors â€"
> > > it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,�
> > > with
> > > analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they
> > > are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial
> > > Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) .
> > >
> > > In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of
> > > three coal firms â€" PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo
> > > Energi Batubara â€" for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after
> > > an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions
> > > were overpriced.
> > >
> > > It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material
> > > transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â€" which was
> > > never given â€" Âand that some of the coal firms were actually
> > > affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through
> > > obscure cross-shareholding arrangements.
> > >
> > > However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the
> > > recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come
> > > up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi
> > > Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high.
> > >
> > > But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â€" all it had to do was
> > > renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable� level,
> > > which
> > > it says it is now in the process of doing.
> > >
> > > The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material
> > > transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in
> > > different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â€" a view
> > > that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the
> > > transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa
> > > was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar
> > > Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7.
> > >
> > > Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of
> > > minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval
> > > for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s
> > > revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined
> > > value of the transactions would have required such approval had they
> > > not been completed in different years.
> > >
> > > On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its
> > > investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the
> > > question is now irrelevant.
> > >
> > > Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said
> > > that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent
> > > appraiser.
> > >
> > > “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are
> > > reasonable,� he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was
> > > justified in abandoning its affiliation probe.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully
> > > Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing
> > > to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.�
> > >
> > > Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been
> > > nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A
> > > meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday.
> > >
> > > “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the
> > > affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,� Rully said.
> > >
> > > But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s shareholders,
> > > doubts nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the future
> > > of corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst having aptly
> > > characterized the entire affair as “nothing more than a game.�
> > >
> > >
> > > Jakarta Globe
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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