apa yg terlintas di kepala saya ya ditulis aja, masa iya udah pake hp lagi di jalan saya ngedit typo lg. saya kan bukan lagi nulis riset buat atasan. yg penting idea yg terlintas di kepala saya sampaikan. yg bingung kan tinggal pake googletrans ato semacamnya. ato didelete langsung. saya agak sulit mengkompromikan apa yg terlintas di kepala saya dengan extra effort benerin grammar dan typo. apalagi kalo ngetiknya pake hp. kalo ada yg bisa nyampein apa yg saya tulis dengan bahasa yg lebih sederhana silahkan diperbaiki. jadi rumit dan ngaco kan karena keterbatasan ilmu saya. yang ilmunya lebih tinggi silahkan dipaparkan dengan lebih jelas. saya sendiri seneng kalo ada yg bisa kasih elaborasi detail untuk hal hal dan analisa seperti ini dengan bahasa yang lebih simpel. tanpa mengurangi substansi dari idea dan teori yang disampaikan. lebih bisa dimengerti. problemnya saya gak bisa. kurang ilmu mungkin. yang ilmunya lebih tinggi dan lebih ahli tentunya bisa menjabarkan dengan lebih baik.
saya gak lagi ngajar di kelas resmi ato bikin report publikasi kan?. justru kalo saya nulis spontan dan impulsif seringkali bisa tertulis tanpa saya filter beberapa teknik idea dan metode investasi yang biasanya kalo saya mesti tulis dengan mikir typo dulu akan saya hapus dan samarkan, would i deliberately share my personal techniques?! lets do ourselves a little favor, "next msg button" is always one click away. skippin my post might be a better option than havin ur head dizzy and confused. but again, there might be some nice technique and ideas hidden somewhere within my lousy post u wont get anywhere else. i am confidently assured with that. On 21 February 2010 23:12, ND <nyariduit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear pak bagus, > > Saya yang sehari2 kerja di perusahaan multinational dan menerima dan > mengirim email dalam bahan inggris aja bingung baca tulisan bapak. Komanya > ndak dikasih, dan grammar beberapa keliru. > > Sebaiknya indonesia aja Pak.. > Ingat sumpah pemuda.. > > No hard feeling.. > Just my 2 cents.. > > Salam, > > ND > > Powered by NDBerry® > ------------------------------ > *From: * "ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id" <ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id> > *Date: *Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:39:20 -0800 (PST) > *To: *<obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > *Subject: *JWB: Re: [ob] Price to Book value saham Bakrie per 4 jan 2010 > > > > Kang Bagus.. > Punten..abdi ogeh sami mawon. > Entiasa bhs england. > Kudu kumaha dibacana? > Penghartikeun ke bhs Indonesia wae..nya..kang Bagus nu bageur.. > Hatur nuhun > Salam > Kabayan > Wkwkwk..milu ngebanyol nya..punten.sing dimaafkeun. > > --- Sent with System SEVEN - the new generation of mobile messaging > > -- pesan orisinal -- > Subyek: Re: [ob] Price to Book value saham Bakrie per 4 jan 2010 > Dari: "B_ND" <nyaham.d...@gmail.com <nyaham.dong%40gmail.com>> > Tanggal: 21-02-2010 16.51 > > Punten Kan gBagus, Mun tiasa mah di_indonesiakeun wae atuh...dah abdi mah > teu pati ngeurti basa inglish.eui..Komo deui mun make istilah-istialh > ekonomi kiyeu...Punten pisan nyak Kang.... > > Salam, > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Bagus Putra Perdana < > disclosure....@gmail.com <disclosure.inc%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > nowaday a company is worth its cash generating abilities. rarely does > > it worth its 'balance sheet' unless on a few stripped-off case. Or in > > some 'overhang' situation its on the 'overhang working-out' condition. > > One does not simply buy a company and cashing its accounting book > > value at an exact market price. It could worth more, it could worth > > less. Its ultimately depends on the quality of the assets. Its cash > > and liquid assets on hand versus liabilities that need to be settled. > > It worth its cash generating abilities going forward. amount of new > > capital-injection needed to keep the business running is a huge factor > > too. its niche and franchise value.(Those VRIO stuffs.) might justify > > a premium intangibles valuation. There were three basic questions to > > resolve : First, what are the true economics of the business? Second, > > how do the economic compare to the reported earnings? Third, how are > > the interests of the decision makers aligned with the investors? > > > > Problems with UNSP is they were cash-burning and drownin in debt. Huge > > dillution with a big bet on an unproductive asset. Given the battered > > price, It may be worth the bet. The domba mas takeover might proves to > > be a good decision. But everything should be decided by a detail and > > prudent further assesment. It cant be done only by looking at current > > BV level. Unfortunetaly, Domba Mas data is unavailable to most of us. > > I personally prefer to wait 6-10 months from now to get a better after > > dillution data and facts about domba mas. Things might turn > > interesting for bakrie if after the RI execution UNSP announced they > > were withdrawing from domba mas deal. By that they will be hittin > > double, erasing the overhang on bad asset burden aswell as dilluting > > other shareholders and still with pile of cash on hand. That would be > > brilliant move but rather unsportive and tricky. > > > > On 21/02/2010, jsx_consultant > > <jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id<jsx-consultant%40centrin.net.id>> > wrote: > > > Price to Book value saham Bakrie per 4 jan 2010 > > > > > > > > > Embah barusan buatkan nilai PBV saham saham Bakrie per 4 Jan 2010 > > > yaitu sebelum Right Issue DEWA, ENRG dan UNSP > > > > > > BUMI = 2,1 > > > BNBR = 1,2 > > > ELTY = 0,8 > > > UNSP = 0,8 , (note PBV AALI sekitar 6) > > > BTEL = 0,7 > > > DEWA = 0,6 > > > ENRG = 0,1 > > > > > > Perhitungan ini mohon dicheck kembali, takutnya ada yg salah > > > > > > selengkapnya di: > > > - hhtp://www.investdata.net/QZ93BAK5.TXT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to > > the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In > > fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because > > we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things > > must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be > > corrected.......The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is > > the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > + + > > + + + + + > > Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus > > kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. > > + + + + + > > + +Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected.......The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman
