Eka, Beda ama sy, kalo menurut pengalaman sy H1 yg Hoki Te It namanya aja uda H1, sedang kalo H5 mah Hoki Te Go hehehe... Awas ngomongin bukan saham kalo ada yg ga senang bs diomelin, anggota2 disini banyak yg galak loh.
SB Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from XL GPRS network -----Original Message----- From: "eka nurfitri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:25:18 To:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: CUT LOSS VS. AVERAGE DOWN , MANA LEBIH UNTUNG? RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOGEOLOGI (Alias Ilmu Toge) pak SB, gimana supaya saja juga bisa kayak bapak, cuan mulu, hehehe... emang siy, temen saya pernah bilang bahwa mau usaha apapun harus ada 5H, dengan H yang ke-5 adalah Hokkie te it, alias hokkie nomer 1, tapi itu khan susah buanget, hehehe.... boleh khan konsultasi ya pak. wass, eka On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 6:45 PM, SbudianaY <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> com.sg> wrote: Hahaha untung ga ditegur yah bs profit susut yah hehehe, ga papa lain kali negur yah spy sy jg jd kenal dong. Sy lg ke rmh anak di apartemen sblh All Fresh yg disblh Makro terus diajak nyoba makanan di Kowloon, btw tinggalnya di Klp Gdg yah, sy mah jauh di Kemang tp kalo minggu nganggur suka jl2 ke Klp Gdg krn ada sdr jg dan sunter ada anak lg, sklian nengok cucu2 Deh. Skli lg tky u yah perhatiannya, GBU, SB Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from XL GPRS network -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Wakiman <ricky.wakiman@ <mailto:ricky.wakiman%40yahoo.co.id> yahoo.co.id> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:10:38 To:obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: CUT LOSS VS. AVERAGE DOWN , MANA LEBIH UNTUNG? RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOGEOLOGI (Alias Ilmu Toge) Iya nih, om SBY sudah terima profit lalu makan-makan di New Kowloon Gading Kirana ya? Sayang saya lihatnya sudah keluar dari restoran, jadi gak bisa minta traktir, hi, hi, hi. RW ----- Pesan Asli ---- Dari: SbudianaY <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:sbudiana%40yahoo.com.sg> com.sg> Kepada: Obrolan Bandar <obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Terkirim: Sabtu, 23 Febuari, 2008 11:51:36 Topik: Re: CUT LOSS VS. AVERAGE DOWN , MANA LEBIH UNTUNG? RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOGEOLOGI (Alias Ilmu Toge) Yg paling pasti untung adalah yg uda trima Profitnya dan yg pasti rugi adalah yg uda ngerasain Loss nya hahaha......pusing2 de lu pade, ngeributin pepesan kosong padahal dua2nya bs benar bs salah kan dua2 nya probability ------Original Message------ From: Ricky Wakiman Sender: Obrolan Bandar To: Obrolan Bandar ReplyTo: Obrolan Bandar Sent: Feb 23, 2008 10:29 PM Subject: CUT LOSS VS. AVERAGE DOWN , MANA LEBIH UNTUNG? RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOGEOLOGI (Alias Ilmu Toge) Menarik nih diskusinya. Kalo menurut saya, yang paling gede untungnya di BEI ini adalah swing trader yang timing masuk dan keluarnya pas. Dengan demikian, dana yang diinvestasikan akan sangat efisien dan efektif dalam arti menghasilkan profit yang optimal (ROI-nya tinggi). Kalau masuknya (belinya) nggak pas timingnya (kecepatan), antisipasinya berbeda di antara dua kubu. Yang pertama, cepat-cepat cut loss dengan sedikit rugi lalu tunggu dan ambil lagi di bawah. Kubu yang kedua tidak cut loss tapi nambah lagi di bawah (average down). Dengan mengasumsikan kedua kubu selalu membeli dan menjual pada harga sama, maka kubu pertama membutuhkan dana lebih sedikit daripada kubu kedua untuk mendapatkan profit optimal. Profit ini dikurangi dengan rugi akibat cut loss yang dilakukan (yg diasumsikan tidak material karena ketrampilan dan experience yang memadai). Kubu kedua perlu dana lebih gede dan ROI-nya pasti lebih rendah daripada kubu pertama karena hanya yang beli terakhir mendapatkan profit optimal (meskipun tidak ada rugi cut loss). Jadi, mungkin benar juga kalau Mas Wiro bisa dapat gain 3 kali IHSG sedangkan om SB hanya 30% (vs. IHSG 52%). CMIIW ya. RW From: obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups. <http://yahoogroups.com/> com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar@> <mailto:obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups. <http://yahoogroups.com/> com] On Behalf Of Wiro Milis Sent: 22 Februari 2008 21:58 To: obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups. <http://yahoogroups.com/> com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOGEOLOGI (Alias Ilmu Toge) Om SB, klo gak salah inget, Om SB bilang sendiri tahun lalu (tahun 2007) profit sekitar 30an% saat market (IHSG) up +- 52%, sementara reksadana saham perform sekitar 50-70an%. Jika iya, ini ilmu yg gak masuk akal (beli saham turun, jual saat ini, avg down terus menerus). At least saya gak melakukan ini dan performance saya tahu lalu lebih dari 3x lipat IHSG. Yang saya lakukan sama dengan yang JSX Trader lakukan yaitu cut loss, cut loss, cut loss, avg up, avg up. 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