Maybe "the Cause" needs to be taken up in academia, if it isn't already.
There are serious problems with the ecosystem and empirical studies and
models for the security infrastructure need further architecting.  For
instance, the EFF's Observatory, Phillip's criticism of the CA data, and the
demands from academia and local, regional and national governments for
publicly trusted roots leads me to think that "the problem" - if it is one -
is only going to grow.  I think more studies need to be done.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Ralph Holz
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:41 AM
Cc: EFF Observatory
Subject: Re: [SSL Observatory] certificates for .local names [was: Re: DFN
and subordinate CA domain-scoped whitelists]

Hi,

I find it strange where this discussion is heading, seriously. Citing wars
now, not really?

Ralph

On 11/11/2011 05:35 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> Which is why the pioneers in the West spent so much time establishing 
> government institutions.
> 
> I have seen the libertopia that results from the collapse of  
> government
> institutions: The civil war in Yugoslavia.

--
Dipl.-Inform. Ralph Holz
I8: Network Architectures and Services
Technische Universität München
http://www.net.in.tum.de/de/mitarbeiter/holz/

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