I have been watching the e-mail exchanges and it saddens me that there are people who still have knee jerk prejudicial response to a new enterprise. I for one am thrilled that there is a new spot opening up for the more responsible minded people living in obz.
looking forward to visiting :) Iain On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Doug Price <dpr...@shoprite.co.za> wrote: > Like I have said earlier we will give you the benefit of the doubt. Good > luck for your opening and continuing in perfect harmony with the residents > of Observatory. > I like to see business's be successful. So hopefully the word will go > round that Lion Tavern is a good place to visit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Casper > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:28 AM > To: The Observatory Neighbourhood watch > Subject: [obsnw] Re: FW: "Lions Corner" Application for Liquor license > > It actually sickens me to think that there is residents with so little > believe in us (Lion Corner). > > The fact that you expect people to walk out of my establishment and vomit > and use your garden or flower pots as toilets is disgusting!! No one with > such tendencies should be allowed in anyway. The people that fertilize your > gardens are not our target market. Lion Corner is a respectable up market > bar. We are not here to make trouble or be a nuisance. Our intensions are > good although we are constantly compared with and stereotyped as liquor > holes where scum comes together. > > We also have made no opening night promises. We only asked that our > neighbours please accommodate us for the opening night as the turn up will > probably be overwhelming. And that this will not be our normal trade. After > all this will be our opening night and we are excited about it and we have > put a lot of hard work into it! So with all the negative comments and > disbelieve from our fellow residents and neighbours, believe it or not but > we are taking you in consideration and have been from day 1. > > On a lighter note we have also received a lot of positive feedback from > the Observatory residents who can't wait for this Purple Paradise to open! > For those of you who have send us welcoming messages and told us how > excited you are of our opening, this means the world to us and we are > looking forward to seeing your at Lion Corner Tavern. > > Haha, very good point Nikki! :-) > > So one more day to go till the opening! See the all you happy hearted > people there! ;-) > > Kind Regards > Casper Potgieter > Owner of 205 Lower Main > And Co-owner of Lion Corner Tavern > > > > > > On Feb 23, 8:25 am, Doug Price <dpr...@shoprite.co.za> wrote: > > Hi James, > > > > You could not have put it more precisely. > > I also understand Bev's frustration with the amount of liquor licenses > in the "Obs Strip", which is very short. > > My only problem is that when the trouble does come, and the pre-opening > promises are not kept, we the residents are left with the headaches. > > Never see the owners of the establishments with buckets, disinfectant > and hoses in their hands cleaning the streets around their establishments, > or around the complainants residence where the defecations take place. > > I am not against this Lions Corner, I say give them a chance, BUT what > happens if they mess up, as a resident how can I get rid of them, also what > happens when the place is sold the liquor license does not die but gets > used by the next owner, as we have seen happen far too many times further > up the strip. > > > > Doug. > > > > From: obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > > Of James Cowley > > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:21 AM > > To: obsnw@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [obsnw] Re: FW: "Lions Corner" Application for Liquor > > license > > > > Yes, "Everybody loves Raymond", sure do, he's funny and charming and > often gets his point, moral or idea across to all. > > > > Everyone loves an English Pub, it's a good vibe, a few drinks, meet some > good guys and gals, and off we go. > > Coming into this debate is very tricky, but as noted to Doug, I would > follow up. > > Henk, the OCA representative is the best suited to make a response, and > will leave it for him to do. Business pressure, and volunteer time to > spend hours of reply or motivation re liquor related matters in Obs, > however takes its toll on one, but sure he will fit a reply soon. > > > > Obs carries a heavy load of poor liquor establishment etiquette, legally > they can trade but gravely exceed their bounds. > > > > For most of you, you have no touch with the hassles, not of the pubs, > clubs or 'restaurants', but with the authorities who have to protect you > and me of noise, urinating around every corner door or wall, loud shouting > whist walking to their residences across Obs, fights, damages to cars or > properties, beer bottles dumped or smashed, will drink till they drop, but > with the authorities who are not there when you call on them, do not quite > deliver what they supposed to do, turns communities and Legal entities > around and give the liquor establishments the right of way to proceed! > > Unless you are deprived of your sleep or sanity, Raymond is a fine guy, > thumbs up for him, but wait till Raymond laughs behind your house. > > > > So, is the above re the bad places, the crawly dingy ones, yes but no, > not quite. I refer to the nice establishments, sometimes the small neat or > cozy ones, the ones who supposedly does Observatory residents a favour by > staying open way late beyond their trading hours or takes a chance more > than often - but spills out their well inebriated patron/s to get into > his/her vehicle and drive off or becomes a victim for a robbery or cannot > contain his/her bladder or vomits into your flower pot or behind your wall > or at your gate; allows a DJ or two or a talented musician to make music > which can be heard two to three blocks away; or allows only neatly dressed > patrons but who's thump of music can be heard 250 meters away; or you > neither know if the patron is well drunk or drugged but plays ball all > round; I can go on, but... > > > > Promises by liquor applicants are often made but poorly kept, > motivations in applications on paper are the finest but on the ground > becomes flawed in practice, once given a licence it becomes near impossible > to reverse, the Law itself seems to get reversed because the business > perpetrator is considered above the affected resident, time and time again, > and this is no joke! > > > > An English Pub for Raymond being an American is possibly out of sorts In > South Africa. It's nice if we can run an English pub in Observatory with > an English Liquor Board, a Bobby on patrol with his baton in hand to visit > her Majesty's pub and with a stiff upper lip, check in that all is in place > at the pub and with it's patrons then popping on further down the road and > see the little o'l Tannie off to her abode at 11 pm after her nice little > snort at her lekker Local pub. > > > > Folks, I wish Lions Corner well but if Lion's Corner has all its ducks > in a row, well then. I however disagree to widen the footprint of liquor > into the corridors of the residential domain in Observatory, and will give > it my best attention, both for and against as "Everybody Loves Observatory > ". > > > > Kind regards > > James > > > > James Cowley > > > > 082 926 1220 > > > > 021 448 2824 (t&f) > > > > Observatory Neighborhood Watch: Chairman > > > > On 22 February 2012 18:54, Bev Pettit <bevp...@gmail.com><mailto: > bevp...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I don't need to explain myself ! > > We have more than enuf liquor holes in the area ! > > I am already plagued by drunk idiots that walk past my place at all > times of the night. > > I have also had to put up with drunk folk pee-ing AND DEFACATING on > pavement outside my place and next door. > > > > I'm also not interested in entering pleasant / unpleasant watering hole > debate. > > It leaves me cold > > > > I HAVE HAD ENOUGH ! > > > > So you don't like me or what I say..... > > > > I'm crestfallen ! > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to obsnw@googlegroups.com<mailto: > obsnw@googlegroups.com>. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto: > obsnw%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to obsnw@googlegroups.com<mailto: > obsnw@googlegroups.com>. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto: > obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. > To post to this group, send email to obsnw@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. > To post to this group, send email to obsnw@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. 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