Dear All, We have decided to discontinue this thread for the time being as it is no longer proving constructive or containing relevant ONW content.
I would like to confirm ONW's views on the subject as follows: 1. We support the clearing of illegal encampments along Liesbeek River as they pose a threat to our safety and security and to the environment. 2. We support that the squatters are dealt with by an appropriate authority and within the law. 3. We support a sustainable plan of social upliftment for these people. We have referred the matter to OBSID and the OCA for appropriate action. Thanks and regards, Steve On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Rosemary Robins <mandrcr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Aah - the whisky.................... [?] > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:23 PM, brianvamery <brianvam...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Robby >> Apart from the basic routine of life, such as getting up in the morning, >> all significant items of human endeavour consist of three steps. Thought, >> speech and action. So I can think 'what obs needs is an improvement >> district'. Then I can talk about this with some positive, like-minded >> individuals. Then we can turn the idea into 18 months of hard work and >> financial sacrifice, until such time as we get there. >> What obs needs is less talkers about what we need and more Dewars. >> I hasten to add that this comment is in my private capacity. >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Robby Balona >> Date:28/06/2015 17:25 (GMT+02:00) >> To: obsnw@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very >> concerned >> >> Hi all >> >> Please keep this constructive and let's not allow this to generate into a >> "who did what " >> >> Thank you >> >> Robby >> On 28 Jun 2015 4:00 PM, "brianvamery" <brianvam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Of course we could Johan. What would be your suggestions? Preferably >>> practical. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Johan Beaurain >>> Date:28/06/2015 15:06 (GMT+02:00) >>> To: obsnw@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very >>> concerned >>> >>> >>> >>> Paddy, you said: >>> >>> ‘Marc, >>> >>> No removals can take place without interviewing the squatters (even if >>> they are returnees) and alternatives offered. Only if they refuse the offer >>> can the camps be dismantled and removed. I believe the first process has >>> been completed and the camps will be dismantled. This is the second time >>> this year. >>> >>> Paddy’ >>> >>> >>> >>> I am not really concerned about the letter of the law and how it is >>> enforced or incorrectly enforced; I would rather like us to look at this >>> issue from a practical point of view: >>> >>> 1. There are many homeless people living next to the river that >>> needs proper accommodation and support from the authorities. >>> >>> 2. We suspect that amongst these homeless people might be some >>> criminal elements because a few of us have seen perpetrators of crime >>> running that way after being caught in the act; but that is only a >>> suspicion, we can not suggest that all of them are criminals. >>> >>> 3. If it is true what you say that some of them were offered >>> alternative accommodation before, but that they have refused that; then we >>> need to look at an alternative solution to the problem. >>> >>> 4. What is the reasons why the refused the alternative accommodation >>> they were offered? Was the accommodation to far away from where they need >>> to be on a daily basis; or what exactly was the reason? >>> >>> 5. How can we best overcome that problem? >>> >>> 6. In my humble opinion, it would be a completely useless exercise >>> to keep on breaking down their shelters and loading their personal >>> belongings onto a truck and dropping it of somewhere else. That would not >>> solve the problem; because observatory is the place they want to be. It >>> would only result in a situation where the authorities tramp people whom >>> are already down and out, further into the ground. >>> >>> 7. I also suspect that if the authorities keep on tramping the poor >>> and homeless people further into the ground, we would not be able to >>> solve/decrease the crime problems in our area. >>> >>> 8. I suspect that poor, frustrated and angry people would be more >>> inclined to revert to criminal activities, simply because that would be >>> their only option to survive another day. >>> >>> Can we please look at a practical solution to this problem? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Johan >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Patrick Chapple < >>> patrick.chap...@capetown.gov.za> wrote: >>> >>>> Marc, >>>> >>>> No removals can take place without interviewing the squatters ( even if >>>> they are returnees) and alternatives offered. Only if they refuse the offer >>>> can the camps be dismantled and removed. I believe the first process has >>>> been completed and the camps will be dismantled. This is the second time >>>> this year. >>>> >>>> Paddy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Marc Turok >>>> *Sent:* 28 June 2015 09:08 AM >>>> *To:* obsnw@googlegroups.com; Paddy Chapple >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very >>>> concerned >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Cncllr Paddy Chapple, >>>> >>>> I believe I may need to withdraw what I wrote in response to your post, >>>> 25 June, which I seem to have misinterpreted??? >>>> >>>> You wrote: ‘I received an attack from an organisation called Ground up >>>> via Facebook for removing the encampments along the Liesbeek”. .. “There >>>> might be one or two innocent homeless* amongst the 6 camps I removed*. >>>> Let me tell everyone the reality. I personally went done there...”. >>>> >>>> I clearly read into it as a current report. I took it as this has just >>>> been done and done with full care and diligence, offering alternative >>>> accommodation: Shelter offered for the “innocent”.. and those showing >>>> evidence of criminal activity and by law transgression, were charged for >>>> that and taken into custody...??? >>>> >>>> Oh! I did not get it right, since I thought this was done recently! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I did not notice until yesterday, when I went for a walk along the >>>> river and saw that the stated intent had not been followed through recently >>>> and the required speed and due diligence has not reappeared YET! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I now see that you had said: “I am going to raid the two new camps >>>> that have sprung up along the Liesbeek since the last raid.” (NOT SURE WHY >>>> its stated as “I” rather that the ‘appropriate authority’ will be called >>>> to...sort out this huge problem for Observatory. >>>> >>>> I had given you credit, personally, for acting responsibility, when >>>> appropriate action has actually not yet been taken! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am reinstating my *wish list* point number *18*, on behalf of OCA, >>>> intended to urgently get the job in addressing crime and transgression of >>>> bylaws, done correctly and humanely. >>>> >>>> Its essential that those transgressing, are removed without further >>>> delay, while providing appropriate alternative temporary shelter, >>>> especially for the ‘possibly innocent or uninformed’, in the middle of >>>> winter, and giving it urgent attention! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Clearly criminals should be charged and those transgressing should be >>>> dealt with correctly. Is there a better solution that can be made >>>> available? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yesterday, I saw many shelters and a huge amount of dumped litter >>>> around them and elsewhere, waiting to be washed into the river, not to >>>> mention all the other negative impact concerns! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lets set up *appropriate *solutions urgently! >>>> >>>> For those critical of the action in the past....Better solutions should >>>> be heard if there are any. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Marc Turok >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Patrick Chapple <patrick.chap...@capetown.gov.za> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:35 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* obsnw@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very >>>> concerned >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you Paul, >>>> >>> -- >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> OPS [Obsid Public Safety] - 24/7 control room >> >> TEL: 021-447-1066 or 072-063-1653 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> EMERGENCIES: 10111 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ONW email: o...@obs.org.za >> WEB: www.obswatch.org.za >> FACEBOOK: facebook.com/obswatch >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Other Useful Obs Numbers: obs.org.za/obsdir >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. 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