While some may feel the reality is sad, its not true that the criminals have more rights than we do!
We just need to assert our rights in an appropriate way and accept that criminals will always have an advantage if they are left to their own devices. We need to stop seeing ourselves as victims and use the power we do have to change the unfortunate negativity that many are trapped in. Our whole society needs to get over this social failing, lack of parental upbringing, lack and waste of opportunity and unjust oppression that should no longer be an excuse! Its time we take constructive joint action and fix this complex problem than requires lots of effort and good leadership on every level of our society and we have the power to influence that. Lets take appropriate steps together. Marc From: Annemarie du Bois Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 10:03 PM To: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned So true. This is the sad reality of the so called new SA ! From: obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of paul.smit1...@gmail.com Sent: 28 June 2015 01:36 PM To: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned Mark By now you should know the conditions we live in does not favor all of us, 'society' has made sure of that.....also, as we know - the 'criminal' element has more rights than 'we' do. You read about it everyday, where one can't defend oneself against intruders, hijackers, and so on, without the BIG risk of going to prison yourself. The law abiding citizen walks with one foot on a banana peel and the other in prison. . . . .unless you have millions for a good lawyer, and then still there would be the risk of prison. Hens the lack of ordinary people (most of us) wanting to get involved in life.... Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Turok" <marctu...@telkomsa.net> Sender: obsnw@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:23:40 +0200 To: <obsnw@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned Thanks, Paddy for all you do! But, In the meantime the river is being destroyed with huge amounts of litter yet again and the crime threat remains, not to mention the natural inducement to follow these pioneer naturalists and settle on this pristine and convenient watercourse. Who has been tracking the patterns and why does it take so long to “interview”. What alternatives are offered? The statement does not make sense to me, as yet: ‘Only if they refuse the offer (of accommodation) can the camps be dismantled and removed”? Surely they are illegal, yet can only be moved when alternative accommodation is provided. Surely only if alternative accommodation is accepted then their belongings and shelter can be moved. If not, it should still be possible to charge suspects or the accused with crime or by-law infringement? These do not seem to be permanent or semi-permanent homes needing an order of the court to be demolished and occupants. If I park my car or cart on a yellow line I will get a spot-fine and could be towed away. Surely the law is clear on the illegality of moving into the river zone and criminal activities need to be stopped without delay, while also being humane and protecting the vulnerable from abuse, ensuring they get what they deserve in having shelter from the elements. Are you saying that if they agree to take the offer (of accommodation) that their camps can not be dismantled? This does not make sense to me! There have been camps built and people squatting and littering all year. Why should this only be the second time that dismantling is attempted? Why is it not a weekly inspection and response or if not every second week? Why wait till the horse has bolted and the river is clogged up again? Marc From: Patrick Chapple Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 12:34 PM To: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned Marc, No removals can take place without interviewing the squatters ( even if they are returnees) and alternatives offered. Only if they refuse the offer can the camps be dismantled and removed. I believe the first process has been completed and the camps will be dismantled. This is the second time this year. Paddy From: obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc Turok Sent: 28 June 2015 09:08 AM To: obsnw@googlegroups.com; Paddy Chapple Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned Dear Cncllr Paddy Chapple, I believe I may need to withdraw what I wrote in response to your post, 25 June, which I seem to have misinterpreted??? You wrote: ‘I received an attack from an organisation called Ground up via Facebook for removing the encampments along the Liesbeek”. .. “There might be one or two innocent homeless amongst the 6 camps I removed. Let me tell everyone the reality. I personally went done there...”. I clearly read into it as a current report. I took it as this has just been done and done with full care and diligence, offering alternative accommodation: Shelter offered for the “innocent”.. and those showing evidence of criminal activity and by law transgression, were charged for that and taken into custody...??? Oh! I did not get it right, since I thought this was done recently! I did not notice until yesterday, when I went for a walk along the river and saw that the stated intent had not been followed through recently and the required speed and due diligence has not reappeared YET! I now see that you had said: “I am going to raid the two new camps that have sprung up along the Liesbeek since the last raid.” (NOT SURE WHY its stated as “I” rather that the ‘appropriate authority’ will be called to...sort out this huge problem for Observatory. I had given you credit, personally, for acting responsibility, when appropriate action has actually not yet been taken! I am reinstating my wish list point number 18, on behalf of OCA, intended to urgently get the job in addressing crime and transgression of bylaws, done correctly and humanely. Its essential that those transgressing, are removed without further delay, while providing appropriate alternative temporary shelter, especially for the ‘possibly innocent or uninformed’, in the middle of winter, and giving it urgent attention! Clearly criminals should be charged and those transgressing should be dealt with correctly. Is there a better solution that can be made available? Yesterday, I saw many shelters and a huge amount of dumped litter around them and elsewhere, waiting to be washed into the river, not to mention all the other negative impact concerns! Lets set up appropriate solutions urgently! For those critical of the action in the past....Better solutions should be heard if there are any. Regards, Marc Turok From: Patrick Chapple Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:35 PM To: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned Thank you Paul, But this is done by the book. First the Social workers. The Obscid Social Worker Kenneth Roan is outstanding. Those that wish shelter are taken there. But if that offer is refused, then the camps are removed. Obs as a community works really hard at rehabilitation and re integration. The Apartheid days are over. But there is certainly a crime nest operating out of the camps along the Liesbeek! Paddy Chapple From: obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of paul.smit1...@gmail.com Sent: 25 June 2015 07:26 PM To: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned Let me know when........I will assist Paul Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Chapple <patrick.chap...@capetown.gov.za> Sender: obsnw@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:21:21 +0000 To: mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com%3cob...@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned I received an attack from an organisation called Ground up via Facebook for removing the encampments along the Liesbeek. Yes, I agree. There might be one or two innocent homeless amongst the 6 camps I removed. Let me tell everyone the reality. I personally went done there. How many of these people are cross dressers? Because the litter was predominated by hand bags! Witnesses who guard the SAN Circus have witnessed the thefts and directly point at the perpetrators running towards the river. A robbery at Merindol ( number 2) is a case in point. On my site visit, I was certainly tracked by two residents whose intentions seemed to be not to ask me for my Business card. Now I have an NGO, Groundup, who are complaining! But where were they when I asked NGOs to assist? As usual only the City and Obscid responded! I am going to raid the two new camps that have sprung up along the Liesbeek since the last raid. I suggest Groundup consult with them. Because crime WILL go down below the railway line when these camps are removed. And incidentally. Groundup financial books make interesting reading. More wages than action! Lot more wages! Groundup stop exploiting. Offer your services to Obscid. Be part of the solution! You are making problems for your own financial game, it seems. From: obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc Turok Sent: 25 June 2015 11:04 AM To: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned The idea of people chipping in would be a very local thing for a few streets to get some extra help during some hours when volunteers are not available for a limited period like two months to break the crime cycle while OBSID is getting its broad evenly spread security ‘activities’ together in full tilt once again...not to try raise funds like Obswatch attempted to do for the whole of Observatory. If the problem is seen to be Friday and Saturday night 9 to 12 pm and for example and no one is available to volunteer then maybe employ someone to help for 6 hrs a week at about R30 or R40 per hour ..One would need to raise R 180 to 240 per week, lets say for a month trial to see the impact. The mini area would need to raise about R1000 for the month. I am saying if those who are not able to volunteer time, were to contribute R 40 to R80 for the month, one would need 15 to 25 households to chip in for this turnaround strategy to kick in. This in addition to volunteers doing patrols. If the combination works as an improvement, it could be changed eg to do a stakeout at another time like Wednesday and Friday afternoon for two hours each instead of weekend nigh, rotating and uncover the patterns that need to be noticed and acted on by OPS. Regards, Marc From: marion Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:47 PM To: obsnw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned Hi All I have read the comments on this topic so far with interest. While it is good news that crime has gone down in Obs in general, armed muggings are most definitely on the increase in Lower Obs. I have lived in Crown St for 20 years, and while we have had issues with car and house break-ins, I do not recall having so many aggressive muggings as this recent spate. Like Melanie, I am feeling scared to walk around my own neighbourhood, and also worry for my child, as well as our childminder and her daughter. - I agree that the community can do a lot to address this situation, and Jonah, I like your sign idea. I also agree that patrols are effective not as an alternative to policing, but to simply get more people out and about. Other activities like the moonlight walk achieve this too. - However, I am concerned that the prioritisation of the Lower Main rd issues, combined with the installation of cameras, has been at the expense of lower Obs. Future plans need to be less reactive and put plans in place that benefit the whole of Observatory, not just one part of it. - I am willing to consider putting in extra as a once off to pay for cameras. However, I am not in favour of trying to get households to make a regular additional financial commitment to pay for extra security. Those of you who were around during the Obswatch days will know that it is a nightmare trying to get people to pay up monthly. The forced levying through rates is the only way to get a monthly income one can rely on to contract security staff. 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