Suspicion is in the eye of the beholder ,,,,, so what's new ? The point is that there's nothing to indicate that the man was photographed simply because he's black. We should all show more appreciation --- and less criticism --- to those very courageous volunteer photographers who risk their lives for the safety and security of the residents of Observatory.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM, <obsnw@googlegroups.com> wrote: > obsnw@googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/obsnw/topics> > Google > Groups > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > Topic digest > View all topics > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/obsnw/topics> > > - Unauthorized photographer Corner Wesley and station road > <#m_-2116991684657256359_group_thread_0> - 7 Updates > - Digest for obsnw@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 2 topics > <#m_-2116991684657256359_group_thread_1> - 1 Update > > Unauthorized photographer Corner Wesley and station road > <http://groups.google.com/group/obsnw/t/5348697ac56be970?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Trevor Hughes <tghug...@gmail.com>: Jul 21 12:56AM +0200 > > > > Spot on!!! > > Out damn spot, Out! > > > To: obsnw@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [obsnw] Digest for obsnw@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 2 > topics > > > There is nothing to indicate that anyone in Obs is photographed simply > because he/she is black. People get photographed when there is suspicion > about them. The colour of the photographer and the colour of the person > being photographed has got absolutely nothing to do with it. > > Yes there is and yes it has. The guy in question is stating that quite > clearly. Clearly being black was suspicious enough for the > photographer in question. Would be interesting to see some of his > other photographs. I wonder how many white suspicious white ous he > took photos of? > > > People need to be photographed when there is suspicion about them. Their > colour should be of no consideration whatsoever. If we are going to be > over-sensitive on this issue , then we might as well scrap the Obs > Neighbourhood Watch. Criminals are not sensitive, so why should the > neighbourhood watch be ? Persons being photographed should accept this sort > of thing, and not be overly sensitive themselves if they have nothing to > hide. It's for the good of everyone that people are photographed. > > Nonsense! The old if you have nothing to hide then you should not mind > defence is plain bollocks? Should we accept > black/white/indian/coloured/asian strangers taking pictures of the > kids and nannies in the kiddies park. The kids and nannies have > nothing to hide and its for the good of everyone that they are being > photographed. Suspicion is most often in the eye of the beholder. > > Colour matters. You may like to think it does not but it most certainly > does. > > Trev > stephen van der spuy <vanderspu...@gmail.com>: Jul 21 10:17AM +0200 > > So what do you suggest Trev. ? That from now on we not photograph > suspicious persons if they are black ? > > Trevor Hughes <tghug...@gmail.com>: Jul 21 11:42AM +0200 > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:17 AM, stephen van der spuy > > So what do you suggest Trev. ? That from now on we not photograph > > suspicious persons if they are black ? > > Not at all. I think you have missed the point of my argument - > suspicion is in the eye of the beholder and the beholder may or may > not have a full picture. > > Just think Pokemon Go! Lots of people may be called in for looking > suspicious but they are just playing a fairly innocent game. If the > beholder knew this they would not look "suspicious" to the beholder > with that knowledge. > > Or here is a challenge - define a suspicious person? > > Trev > "Marc Turok" <marctu...@telkomsa.net>: Jul 21 04:03PM +0200 > > What about 'eye in the sky' infra-red random photography technology, from > an > automated drone that undertakes not to photograph in black, white or > colour? > It simplifies the challenge using only body heat and that is all that > counts > from now on. > From now on, there will be nothing to do with race, origin, political > persuasion or gender profiling. Just heat! > > If you are hot, you are on the spot! > If not you are the one the camera forgot! > > Sound suspicious? > I'm too cool to care and besides I don't stare cause I cant take the glare. > > Lets just keep a look out for actual crime and act on that. > There is actually plenty of it about so we do not have to invent it. > Much of it is too hot to be out on the street. > > Even some of the airlines fly high on dangerous substances these days. > In my day it was weed. I guess some good publicity is required to be able > to > pay Zimbabwe civil servants. > > Seriously though lets get out there and gather useful intelligence. > > More facts and stats, less accusations and finger pointing (its always one > forward and 3 back at oneself) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trevor Hughes > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:42 AM > To: obsnw@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [obsnw] Unauthorized photographer Corner Wesley and station > road > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:17 AM, stephen van der spuy > > So what do you suggest Trev. ? That from now on we not photograph > > suspicious persons if they are black ? > > Not at all. I think you have missed the point of my argument - > suspicion is in the eye of the beholder and the beholder may or may > not have a full picture. > > Just think Pokemon Go! Lots of people may be called in for looking > suspicious but they are just playing a fairly innocent game. If the > beholder knew this they would not look "suspicious" to the beholder > with that knowledge. > > Or here is a challenge - define a suspicious person? > > Trev > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > OPS [Obsid Public Safety] - 24/7 control room > > TEL: 021-447-1066 or 072-063-1653 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > EMERGENCIES: 10111 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ONW email: o...@obs.org.za > WEB: www.obswatch.org.za > FACEBOOK: facebook.com/obswatch > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Other Useful Obs Numbers: obs.org.za/obsdir > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. To post to this group, send > email > to obsnw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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I do not champion crime infact I have reported > obvious potential criminal activities around Observatory.With racial issues > aside ,On what grounds is someone deemed suspicious? Does parking outside > waiting for a friend put me under the same umbrella as a potential > criminal? > Itumeleng > > -- > > > [image: --] > > Itumeleng Kgobokoe > [image: https://]about.me/itumeleng_kgobokoe > < > https://about.me/itumeleng_kgobokoe?promo=email_sig&utm_source=email_sig&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=external_links > > > "Marc Turok" <marctu...@telkomsa.net>: Jul 21 11:05PM +0200 > > No resident is authorised to “deem’ anyone as anything near guilty of > anything unless there is clear evidence that has been proved to be valid. > There is a clear understanding confirmed by police and security personnel > that any report of a suspicious person will not be assumed to be guilty of > anything. > Criminal accusation is only based on hard evidence and reporting of > “possible suspicious behaviour” is in no way regarded as an actual claim of > evidence of guilt of any offence. > It is in no way seen to be like laying a charge against someone or giving > evidence against someone. > It is simply to ask police or security to keep an eye out to check if > there may be something going on and this question may be without any > evidence whatsoever. > It is unfortunate for this kind of reporting particularly when accompanied > by taking a photograph or making a descriptive observation, to be stated or > shared as if there is something to report, when there is actually no basis > for it at all, other than a bit of idle curiosity. > > In this case the person being photographed is a well known upstanding > resident of Observatory and his privacy should be respected. > To me, photographing perceived suspicious behaviour should only be seen to > be valid when there is actually some suspicious behaviour observed, like > when one thinks that some crime is being committed, not when nothing > suspicious is actually happening. > If there is actually no real suspicious behaviour happening, it is just > upsetting and rude to photograph someone since it is intrusive and there is > no basis for it (in my opinion). > End of discussion for me. > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > Back to top <#m_-2116991684657256359_digest_top> > Digest for obsnw@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 2 topics > <http://groups.google.com/group/obsnw/t/171b46d9112480c4?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > stephen van der spuy <vanderspu...@gmail.com>: Jul 20 02:40PM +0200 > > People need to be photographed when there is suspicion about them. Their > colour should be of no consideration whatsoever. If we are going to be > over-sensitive on this issue , then we might as well scrap the Obs > Neighbourhood Watch. Criminals are not sensitive, so why should the > neighbourhood watch be ? Persons being photographed should accept this > sort of thing, and not be overly sensitive themselves if they have nothing > to hide. It's for the good of everyone that people are photographed. > > Back to top <#m_-2116991684657256359_digest_top> > You have received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for > this group. 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