HI All A couple of things: 1) I have updated the Jitsi link as it was showing to be happening on 25 Jan instead of 11 Jan. New link: https://meet.jit.si/SkilledGrandparentsKeepThoroughly <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://meet.jit.si/SkilledGrandparentsKeepThoroughly&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw2Xnv46jaxkFmx5m20NFokj> 2) Link to Agenda - I doubt we will get past the QGIS SIG Charter but there are some other items for food for thought: 20200111 QGIS SIG Agenda <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O9XYh781k-aFgEtUJNtYrlvxPJpQgMdEizlTvS9ydEE/edit?usp=sharing>
Cheers Em On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:23 AM Emma Hain <emmah...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All > > I have set up a Jitsi (link) > <https://meet.jit.si/ArbitraryFamesSqueezeMiserably>meeting for 1100 on > Monday 11th January. > > It sits on the OSGeo Oceania Events Calendar (QGIS SIG Meetup > <https://calendar.google.com/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=NTBsMW9kYzM0NzhyaWd2NjczcTBiNWRqdXQgMmQyZnNpMTBwNWZzdGVkOHM2cHBwaTBlMXNAZw&tmsrc=2d2fsi10p5fsted8s6pppi0e1s%40group.calendar.google.com>) > so head there to add whether you will be attending and to get all the > links. > > We will be working on finalising the QGIS SIG document and I have yet to > get into the agenda folder and will be offline for the next week (offfgrid > beach camping enjoying the storms and rain.....). > > If I get on earlier, I will send one out. > > > Thanks > > Em > > > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:16 AM Emma Hain <emmah...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All >> I have added the following to the QGIS SIG Charter. >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit#heading=h.f3owylft5r4z> >> >> >> - Composition and Roles >> - Secretary >> - Role of OO Board Director >> - Financial >> - Reporting >> - Referenced documents >> >> Can you please review and add comments on your return from holidays (or >> before if you want to escape your relatives). >> >> Also for the Agenda, I think we should concentrate on finalising the QGIS >> SIG Charter >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit#heading=h.f3owylft5r4z> >> and go through that. So please review it (again) and put in notes etc. Once >> that is complete, we can move to an agenda for normal business. >> >> Additionally, if you have any events, including live you tube >> presentations or get-togethers that fit within OO, please place them on the >> OO Calendar - you can find the links here >> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#Events>. Out meetings will be added >> to the calendar. >> >> Merry Christmas! >> Em >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 8:55 PM Emma Hain <emmah...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> For our first meeting, I propose the week starting 10th January. Can you >>> please fill in your preference for meeting times in this doodle poll. >>> https://doodle.com/poll/e4iv56ra4u657eug?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link >>> >>> Also, please send me any items for an agenda. >>> Once I have a draft I will send through the link. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Em >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Emma Hain <emmah...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all can we set up a meeting? >>>> Do we want to do it after Xmas and before new year or in new year - i >>>> am back on deck on 10th Jan >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 6:42 PM Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffre...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the comments. >>>>> >>>>> I see what you mean about appearing to be the "go-to" group without >>>>> engagement from the whole community. >>>>> >>>>> The SIG does not necessarily have to be the QGIS user group for the >>>>> whole Oceania region, it is expressed that way in the charter but if it >>>>> doesn't work then it doesn't need to stay that way. The QGIS user groups >>>>> have a model where the user group can be regional or national - >>>>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/usergroups.html - The UK, for >>>>> example, has three representing different parts of the UK. There is no >>>>> reason why Oceania couldn't have multiple independent QGIS user groups >>>>> like >>>>> Oceania (Australia), Oceania (Aotearoa), Oceania (Fiji) etc. I do, >>>>> however, >>>>> see all of these user groups within Oceania having the same problem that >>>>> the Australian QGIS group experienced regarding the running of our own >>>>> events, as described before the OO org and SIG concept provide a framework >>>>> to address that. >>>>> >>>>> So, I don't see the SIG standing in the way of local initiatives, but >>>>> we do have responsibility to engage with the Oceania community and let >>>>> them >>>>> know that this SIG and its resources are not exclusive to the Australian >>>>> QGIS users. >>>>> >>>>> Also, I was going to message you this and ask for advice but it's >>>>> probably best out in the open for other people to throw around >>>>> suggestions. >>>>> I have struggled with how to best interact with parts/regions of the OO >>>>> community. I've included the Australian QGIS list along the way because it >>>>> is the only user group in Oceania registered on the QGIS site and the OO >>>>> mailing list because we want to form a SIG within that community. However, >>>>> if there are other user groups out there and people know of them i'd >>>>> appreciate it if you could put me in touch. >>>>> >>>>> My preference at the moment with the engagement we have is to push on >>>>> as defined in the charter. The charter is able to be altered in the >>>>> future, >>>>> so if something just doesn't work or turns out to inadvertently be >>>>> prohibitive then we have the opportunity to correct it. I know the people >>>>> involved at the moment have the communities best interest in mind (and I >>>>> understand no one is suggesting otherwise), and I am confident that the OO >>>>> board will hold us to account. I think if we can address these engagement >>>>> issues as we go, this could be a good example for other SIGs starting out. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Andrew >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM John Bryant <johnwbry...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Andrew, I'm definitely on board with being inclusive and I >>>>>> think Oceania-wide is great. My concern is about the SIG being seen as >>>>>> the >>>>>> "go-to" representative of the whole region's QGIS community, before this >>>>>> reach is genuinely established, and inadvertently standing in the way of >>>>>> local leadership & initiatives. This is why I wonder whether we see this >>>>>> as >>>>>> an expansion of the QGIS Australia User Group, or if they're kept as >>>>>> distinct groups. I'd personally lean toward making the geographic scope >>>>>> large, and the operational scope small (to begin with). >>>>>> >>>>>> Related, the OSMF made OSGeo Oceania's OpenStreetMap local chapter >>>>>> status conditional on making it clear that country-based groups were >>>>>> entitled to form their own local chapters (see wiki entry >>>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#OpenStreetMap_Oceania>). >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, I don't think this concern is a blocker, more a note of >>>>>> caution. Hopefully Pacific and NZ people are interested and will join in, >>>>>> the SIG could encourage this by being proactive about supporting users >>>>>> there. Looking forward to helping! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 14:12, Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffre...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the comments, I'll check them out. As for the questions >>>>>>> you raise, they haven't been discussed yet and happy to discuss them >>>>>>> here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Geographic Scope of the Special Interest Group (SIG) - * As per >>>>>>> the OSGeo Oceania SIG guidelines >>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3R3wSHR9jo9VgywmAQqKswrylwjxw9-/edit>, >>>>>>> it would be available to all OSGeo Oceania org (OO org) members so that >>>>>>> would be the geographic area that OO org represents. Emma was also very >>>>>>> passionate from the start that this is available to all Oceania and not >>>>>>> just Australia. However, I do take on board your observation about the >>>>>>> comments / feedback / input being very much Australian focused, in >>>>>>> fact, I >>>>>>> would go one step further and say that it has primarily been from the >>>>>>> regular posters of the OO mailing list >>>>>>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>. Would yourself or >>>>>>> Emma have suggestions on how we could broaden the reach and improve the >>>>>>> community input? Are there other channels that this should be made >>>>>>> available on? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Which List - *My intention was that "the open mailing list" will >>>>>>> be the OO mailing list <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>, >>>>>>> so I do apologise for the ambiguity here and I can clear that up in the >>>>>>> charter. As this is a Special Interest Group within the OO org, I >>>>>>> believe >>>>>>> that would be the best place for it. But that is only my opinion, happy >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> others to share their point of view and reach an outcome that we are all >>>>>>> happy with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been cross-posting the charter and progress on the QGIS >>>>>>> Australia User Group mailing list >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group> for those >>>>>>> who may be interested (I now recognise that this may have caused more >>>>>>> confusion than necessary). A number of members in the QGIS Australia >>>>>>> User >>>>>>> group (myself included) wanted to form something like this SIG after the >>>>>>> successful 2017 user meetup in Sydney, it ultimately failed because we >>>>>>> didn't have the capacity to handle funds, and something much better came >>>>>>> along in the local FOSS4G conference and the OO org because it addresses >>>>>>> this challenge for all FOSS4G projects in the region. The development of >>>>>>> this SIG will build on the QGIS community interest that we demonstrated >>>>>>> exists in 2017, this time around we have the structure of the OO org to >>>>>>> help us progress funding initiatives to drive investment in the >>>>>>> community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope that helps, >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:54 PM John Bryant <johnwbry...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Andrew, awesome work! I've added a few small comments in the doc >>>>>>>> and want to bring up a couple of thoughts. Apologies if I'm raising >>>>>>>> questions that have already been answered. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Geographic scope of the SIG*. In the doc it's called the Oceania >>>>>>>> QGIS SIG. I know we've talked about inclusivity, and welcoming >>>>>>>> participation from the whole region, in keeping with the ethos of >>>>>>>> FOSS4G >>>>>>>> SotM Oceania and OSGeo Oceania. But I'm noticing that so far, (I >>>>>>>> think) the >>>>>>>> discussion has only drawn comments and contributions from people in >>>>>>>> Australia. I guess this is partly because the QGIS Australia community >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> pretty well established, with a recognised QGIS user group and a >>>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>>> list dating back nearly 10 years. But I'm wondering if we need to do >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> work to make sure people in other countries welcome this >>>>>>>> representation. >>>>>>>> Does the lack of participation to date reflect that the message isn't >>>>>>>> getting through, or that only Australians are interested in this SIG? >>>>>>>> Or is >>>>>>>> it just that the Australia QGIS community is leading the conversation >>>>>>>> because it's more established, and maybe the rest of the region is >>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>> & listening with interest, and will join in later? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Which list?* There are a couple of references to "the open >>>>>>>> mailing list", it might be good for us to clarify which list. The >>>>>>>> existing QGIS >>>>>>>> Australia User Group mailing list >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group>, or the >>>>>>>> Oceania list, or another? I think it could be helpful to make this >>>>>>>> unambiguous so that people know where to post, and which list to >>>>>>>> follow to >>>>>>>> stay up to date. This might be part of a larger question of whether >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> SIG is distinct from the QGIS Australia User Group, or is the same >>>>>>>> group in >>>>>>>> a new form. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 13:42, Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffre...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion on the QGIS SIG proposed charter so far. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have worked in the comments on dealing with a conflict of >>>>>>>>> interest, voting (minimum number of voters), and membership tiers. >>>>>>>>> Also a >>>>>>>>> few formatting changes e.g. I moved the membership section higher up >>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> document. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I suspect the membership tiers may need some further discussion, >>>>>>>>> these were the tiers loosely discussed by our SIG proposers very >>>>>>>>> early on >>>>>>>>> (not the price but the distinction - prices are placeholders at the >>>>>>>>> moment), we could also look at the pricing of the Swiss User >>>>>>>>> group for guidance >>>>>>>>> <https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application>. >>>>>>>>> However, again this is all open for your input and feedback. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:20 AM Andrew Jeffrey < >>>>>>>>> aljeffre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion and input so far. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I see there are some comments on the charter itself as well which >>>>>>>>>> is great, we'll try and address each of those in the document and I >>>>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>>>> you can see the history/resoltion of these in the "comment history" >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> doc itself. What I can see from the initial feedback is that the >>>>>>>>>> "membership" or definition of needs more detail and we need to >>>>>>>>>> address the >>>>>>>>>> potential for "conflicts of interest" when raising and voting on >>>>>>>>>> motions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> @adam - if you don't mind I will add your example text for >>>>>>>>>> dealing with conflicts of interest from the previous email verbatim >>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>> starting point and evolve it from there. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, remember if you want to have some editing input on the >>>>>>>>>> charter reach out and I can add you as an editor to the document. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:48 PM Emma Hain <emmah...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Emma Hain >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 17:03, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers - Phil, >>>>>>>>>>> On the road with his iPad >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 5:30 pm, Emma Hain <emmah...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey All >>>>>>>>>>> I’m with the essence of what Martin put forward as well as >>>>>>>>>>> Nathan. If those that can do pool together funds under the SIG then >>>>>>>>>>> we can >>>>>>>>>>> get the tools that Oceania needs. >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a link to the Swiss Qgis funding model? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Emma Hain >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 13:51, Martin Tomko <tom...@unimelb.edu.au> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I just chip in, to elaborate on what I was thinking about when >>>>>>>>>>> drafting the SIG guidelines. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The overall model, for me, was that of the ACM SIGs, which work >>>>>>>>>>> well ( some), or less well ( others), but do not impact on each >>>>>>>>>>> other. An >>>>>>>>>>> OO member can be member of multiple SIGs, or none. Some may organise >>>>>>>>>>> hackatons, mapping parties, microconferences, some may not. Some >>>>>>>>>>> may even >>>>>>>>>>> propose ( and successfully populate and run) a stream at a FOSS4G >>>>>>>>>>> SOTM >>>>>>>>>>> conference (that would be awesome). They may help set the program >>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>> conference, etc, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The level of activity, and the financial resources they may have >>>>>>>>>>> available will differ, and it is not up to the OO (board) to >>>>>>>>>>> dictate, as >>>>>>>>>>> long as they do not encroach on the freedom of others to have their >>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>> activities, do not place undue burden on the OO itself (run by >>>>>>>>>>> volunteers, >>>>>>>>>>> you do not want to process hundreds of micro payments, etc, I would >>>>>>>>>>> say), >>>>>>>>>>> or have multiple SIGs overlapping in scope. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Re fees. I would have assumed that most will be free, BUT the >>>>>>>>>>> ability to levy a membership[ fee was left there exactly to satisfy >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> need for supporting a more intensive activity that is not “event” >>>>>>>>>>> based. >>>>>>>>>>> So, if the QGIS SIG decides to print a monthly SIG magazine and >>>>>>>>>>> provide it >>>>>>>>>>> as a membership service to the SIG, sure, why not, levy a >>>>>>>>>>> membership fee. >>>>>>>>>>> Or a website, online course, or similar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Broader membership by organisations is starting to go >>>>>>>>>>> borderline, to what Adam noted. Is this something where the overall >>>>>>>>>>> interests of the organisation clash with the SIG? I would suggest >>>>>>>>>>> let’s try >>>>>>>>>>> this, and decide, as we go. If the burden by SIGS or the internal >>>>>>>>>>> competition is too much ( we lose FOS4G SOTM sponsors to the SIG), >>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>> this will need to be addressed. This is I believe the main concern, >>>>>>>>>>> but we >>>>>>>>>>> are not there. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Martin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Oceania <oceania-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> >>>>>>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 30 November 2020 at 1:51 pm >>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> *Cc: *QGIS Australia User Group < >>>>>>>>>>> australian-qgis-user-gr...@googlegroups.com>, OSgeo - Oceania < >>>>>>>>>>> oceania@lists.osgeo.org> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [OSGeo Oceania] [Aus-NZ-QGIS-group] Community >>>>>>>>>>> consultation: OO Org QGIS Special Interest Group Charter >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Cameron >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The issue of membership fees is only for the QGIS special >>>>>>>>>>> interest group. The OSGeo Oceania membership will always be zero, >>>>>>>>>>> or near >>>>>>>>>>> zero cost. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll let the QGIS folks speak for themselves, but they're >>>>>>>>>>> talking about being able to pool money to fund specific activities, >>>>>>>>>>> and if >>>>>>>>>>> people are willing to pay for a subscription to regularly >>>>>>>>>>> contribute, and >>>>>>>>>>> they call it a membership of that QGIS SIG, that's all good, I say! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:33, Cameron Shorter < >>>>>>>>>>> cameron.shor...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The question of membership fees pops up every few years with >>>>>>>>>>> arguments for and against. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I summarized a bunch of threads in the OSGeo community back when >>>>>>>>>>> I was on the OSGeo board in: >>>>>>>>>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2013/03/osgeo-board-priorities.html >>>>>>>>>>> .There may be some points in there which you can reuse. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo as a low capital, volunteer focused organisation >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Should OSGeo act as a high capital or low capital organisation? >>>>>>>>>>> I.e., should OSGeo dedicate energy to collecting sponsorship and >>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>> passing out these funds to worthy OSGeo causes. >>>>>>>>>>> While initially it seems attractive to have OSGeo woo sponsors, >>>>>>>>>>> because we would all love to have more money to throw at worthy >>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo >>>>>>>>>>> goals, the reality is that chasing money is hard work. And someone >>>>>>>>>>> who can >>>>>>>>>>> chase OSGeo sponsorship is likely conflicted with chasing >>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship for >>>>>>>>>>> their particular workplace. So in practice, to be effective in >>>>>>>>>>> chasing >>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship, OSGeo will probably need to hire someone specifically >>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>> role. OSGeo would then need to raise at least enough to cover >>>>>>>>>>> wages, and >>>>>>>>>>> then quite a bit more if the sponsorship path is to create extra >>>>>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>>>>> This high capital path is how the Eclipse foundation is set up, >>>>>>>>>>> and how LocationTech propose to organise themselves. It is the path >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo started following when founded under the umbrella of Autodesk. >>>>>>>>>>> However, over the last seven years, OSGeo has slowly evolved >>>>>>>>>>> toward a low capital volunteer focused organisation. Our overheads >>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>> low, which means we waste very little of our volunteer labour and >>>>>>>>>>> capital >>>>>>>>>>> on the time consuming task of chasing and managing money. >>>>>>>>>>> Consequently, any >>>>>>>>>>> money we do receive (from conference windfalls or sponsorship) goes >>>>>>>>>>> a long >>>>>>>>>>> way - as it doesn't get eaten up by high overheads. As discussed >>>>>>>>>>> and agreed >>>>>>>>>>> by the board, this low capital path is something that is working >>>>>>>>>>> very well >>>>>>>>>>> for us, and is the path we should continue to follow. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 05:21, Adam Steer <adam.d.st...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Andrew for addressing all the questions people have. >>>>>>>>>>> Responding >>>>>>>>>>> to your reply to my questions: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - OK about sponsorships and so on, I can see that the QGIS SIG >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> choose to align events with FOSS4G SotM Oceania editions, thereby >>>>>>>>>>> really streamlining logistics and effort and working with the >>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - conflict of interest: really hard in a community where everyone >>>>>>>>>>> knows each other - my science community is the same, anonymous >>>>>>>>>>> reviews >>>>>>>>>>> are almost impossible! I think yes, recusing people from decision >>>>>>>>>>> making is a great step. I also think it's unrealistic to make a >>>>>>>>>>> blanket statement that fits all cases. I think the best approach >>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>> be to handle each case as it comes, and do it transparently. To >>>>>>>>>>> make a >>>>>>>>>>> concrete suggestion - and feel free to disagree - the charter >>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>> contain a statement like 'Conflicts of interest, real or >>>>>>>>>>> perceived, >>>>>>>>>>> will be handled in accordance with our code of conduct. This >>>>>>>>>>> means >>>>>>>>>>> recusing relevant parties from decision making as early as >>>>>>>>>>> possible in >>>>>>>>>>> the process, and discussing the matter openly with our >>>>>>>>>>> community. In >>>>>>>>>>> some cases, we may have to proceed by funding people who make >>>>>>>>>>> decisions about where to apply funds. This is a function of a >>>>>>>>>>> small >>>>>>>>>>> and close knit community, and will always be discussed openly >>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>> community first.' >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are probably heaps of loopholes in that, and impossible to >>>>>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>>>>> them all - so the short version is to write exactly what you >>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> reply: 'we will be ethical, and will resist being a funding >>>>>>>>>>> pipeline >>>>>>>>>>> to particular people or companies'. The community has to step up >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> make that always true. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have no thoughts to add to John's about SIG membership, except >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> really like that you're thinking about how to manage it in an >>>>>>>>>>> inclusive fashion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do have an opinion about creating sub-SIGS though - in my >>>>>>>>>>> science >>>>>>>>>>> career I've seen multiple disciplines discover the same tooling >>>>>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>>>>> times. So my hot take is 'avoid having discipline-specific >>>>>>>>>>> subgroups', >>>>>>>>>>> way better to let disciplinary cross-fertilisation happen ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 09:39, Andrew Jeffrey < >>>>>>>>>>> aljeffre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > No problems, with everything going on post conference, >>>>>>>>>>> elections, and the upcoming holiday period we may need to leave >>>>>>>>>>> this open >>>>>>>>>>> for comment for a little longer than normal. Happy to go with what >>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>> feel is needed here. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > John, regarding your thoughts on the membership I agree 100%, >>>>>>>>>>> the charter at the moment has a sentence stating the SIG should be >>>>>>>>>>> "providing membership avenues for people that may not be in a >>>>>>>>>>> financial >>>>>>>>>>> position to pay a fee" perhaps we need more clarity around >>>>>>>>>>> membership and >>>>>>>>>>> what it involves in the charter? To be clear, my thoughts are that >>>>>>>>>>> keeping >>>>>>>>>>> in the spirit of OO the SIG should be available to everyone and no >>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>> should be excluded from participating, on reflection the term >>>>>>>>>>> "membership" >>>>>>>>>>> might come across as prohibitive. I'm sure we'll come up with >>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>> acceptable through conversation here. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > For context though it may be helpful to explain the intent >>>>>>>>>>> behind the idea of a "membership". The issues it aims to address >>>>>>>>>>> are below: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > There is some difficulty associated with organisations giving >>>>>>>>>>> a "donation", but purchasing something like a "membership" to a >>>>>>>>>>> professional user group seems to be acceptable and is easier >>>>>>>>>>> justified in >>>>>>>>>>> some procurement processes. >>>>>>>>>>> > For individuals donating to QGIS helps the project but has >>>>>>>>>>> little influence on their QGIS experience, also individuals on the >>>>>>>>>>> QGIS >>>>>>>>>>> list have indicated trouble participating in crowdfunding campaigns >>>>>>>>>>> due to >>>>>>>>>>> high minimum pledges. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > A QGIS SIG would allow us to receive money from interested >>>>>>>>>>> parties wanting to support QGIS in our region, pool the funds and >>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>> spend as the SIG sees fit. The best part is the money will be spent >>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>> items scoped in our charter which is again relevant to users in our >>>>>>>>>>> region. >>>>>>>>>>> For lack of a better term think of it as a "co-op" for the >>>>>>>>>>> donations alot >>>>>>>>>>> of us already make on an ad-hoc basis. Ideally we would be looking >>>>>>>>>>> to get a >>>>>>>>>>> majority of the membership from organisations that we know use QGIS >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> support a bulk of this activity, and then people willing to make a >>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>> contribution would then add to that. Then if people can't make a >>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>> contribution that is also fine because they can assist in other >>>>>>>>>>> ways. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > That was the idea in justifying a membership fee. We will need >>>>>>>>>>> to offer something in return, for individuals that will be the >>>>>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>>>>> network and for organisations that will be recognition at this >>>>>>>>>>> early stage >>>>>>>>>>> but as we progress this may evolve. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> > Andrew >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:57 PM John Bryant < >>>>>>>>>>> johnwbry...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Andrew, thanks a lot for continuing to push this forward. It >>>>>>>>>>> has been a couple of months since I last looked at this, and I >>>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>>>> really had a detailed look at the SIG concept yet. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm 'out of the office' for the next few days, but would be >>>>>>>>>>> happy to join in this discussion when I get back, and have a proper >>>>>>>>>>> chance >>>>>>>>>>> to refresh my memory and get up to speed on SIGs. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> One brief thought, it feels like it would be good to consider >>>>>>>>>>> a free (or very inexpensive) tier of membership. I suspect many of >>>>>>>>>>> us can't >>>>>>>>>>> justify (or can't afford) to spend much, but could contribute in >>>>>>>>>>> other ways. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> >> John >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 9:46 am Andrew Jeffrey, < >>>>>>>>>>> aljeffre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Hi Adam, >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> I agree the SIG shouldn't bring about any duplication of the >>>>>>>>>>> processes that the OO currently does. A SIG as defined in the >>>>>>>>>>> guidelines >>>>>>>>>>> should be "enabling OSGeo Oceania members to interact, share >>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, >>>>>>>>>>> organise events, and collaborate on a selected, targeted topic >>>>>>>>>>> within the >>>>>>>>>>> scope of OSGeo Oceania". So a SIG should be complementary to the OO >>>>>>>>>>> function and allow the interested community members to drive >>>>>>>>>>> engagement in >>>>>>>>>>> that area without the OO board having to do it all. Like you say >>>>>>>>>>> though, >>>>>>>>>>> open communication between the SIG and the OO board is key in >>>>>>>>>>> making sure >>>>>>>>>>> there is no overlap being introduced. Also to be clear the SIG isn’t >>>>>>>>>>> seeking “sponsorship” as such but we do want to be able to collect a >>>>>>>>>>> membership fee for people/orgs wanting to be involved, allowing >>>>>>>>>>> them to >>>>>>>>>>> fund items that maybe other OO members don’t see as important. I >>>>>>>>>>> don’t see >>>>>>>>>>> this taking away from conference sponsorship and this idea will >>>>>>>>>>> ultimately >>>>>>>>>>> sink or swim depending on whether the SIG members have an appetite >>>>>>>>>>> to fund >>>>>>>>>>> the items in our scope. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> As for the conflict of interest, to be honest I don't know >>>>>>>>>>> the answer in regards to how that should be dealt with. I think we >>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>> add something in the charter, would removing those people from the >>>>>>>>>>> proposal >>>>>>>>>>> and voting process be enough? How does OO deal with this? I don’t >>>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>>> rule local devs out of working on this because they belong to the >>>>>>>>>>> group, >>>>>>>>>>> but we also don’t want to become the entry point to company XYZ. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Andrew >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:35 AM Adam Steer < >>>>>>>>>>> adam.d.st...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hey Andrew and all the QGIS SIG proposers >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks, I think this is a perfect use of OSGeo Oceania as a >>>>>>>>>>> backing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> organisation :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> My only reservation with any SIG proposal is that effort >>>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> duplicated about events and marketing, and also that a >>>>>>>>>>> funding from a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> small pool of interested parties (relative to other parts >>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> world) is able to be effectively spread among the whole >>>>>>>>>>> community. For >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> an example it would be a bit awry to see a SIG gather a >>>>>>>>>>> heap of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> funding at the expense of conference sponsorships. I guess >>>>>>>>>>> in that >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> case the SIG could also sponsor conferences? This goes the >>>>>>>>>>> other way >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> too - the existence of a well connected SIG makes it easier >>>>>>>>>>> for OO to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> fund a QGIS feature (for example) if it decides to do so. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I think clear, constant and open communication between OO >>>>>>>>>>> and the SIG >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> will make those concerns go away. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> In writing this I did work my thoughts through to a >>>>>>>>>>> serious question: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> How will the SIG deal with conflicts of interest? A stated >>>>>>>>>>> aim of the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> SIG is to fund development, what will the SIG do if all the >>>>>>>>>>> key QGIS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> developers in the region are also in the group of people >>>>>>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> decisions about buying developer time? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> My only comment on the charter itself is that if you want, >>>>>>>>>>> you can >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> link to the existing Berlin Code of Conduct: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> https://berlincodeofconduct.org/ - with which the upcoming >>>>>>>>>>> OO CoC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> should be 100% compatible. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Adam >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 04:37, Andrew Jeffrey < >>>>>>>>>>> aljeffre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Hi All, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > The OSGeo Oceania board has approved an initiative for >>>>>>>>>>> members to form Special Interest Groups (SIGs) within the OO >>>>>>>>>>> community. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > A SIG is a way for community members to collaborate >>>>>>>>>>> around common interests which in this case is QGIS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > In establishing a SIG, the OO board requires that the >>>>>>>>>>> group proposing the SIG put forward a charter which outlines the >>>>>>>>>>> Aim and >>>>>>>>>>> Scope under which the SIG will operate. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Myself, Emma Hain, John Bryant, Nathan Woodrow and Nyall >>>>>>>>>>> Dawson would like to start a QGIS SIG which can be used to benefit >>>>>>>>>>> QGIS >>>>>>>>>>> users in our community. To get things started we have come up with a >>>>>>>>>>> charter that we would like to make available for community >>>>>>>>>>> consultation. As >>>>>>>>>>> this charter currently reflects our input we would like to put this >>>>>>>>>>> out for >>>>>>>>>>> discussion to see if what we are proposing is on the right path for >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> community. At the moment everyone with the link below has "comment" >>>>>>>>>>> permissions, but "edit" permissions can be granted on request if >>>>>>>>>>> you would >>>>>>>>>>> like to get more involved and you're welcome to do so. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I also just want to be upfront that this SIG is proposing >>>>>>>>>>> that there be a membership fee associated with the group. The funds >>>>>>>>>>> raised >>>>>>>>>>> by the membership will be stored with the OO org and then used by >>>>>>>>>>> the SIG >>>>>>>>>>> on items as scoped out in the charter. The idea with the membership >>>>>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>>>>> to "make money" but to pool our small contributions to give us >>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>> "buying power" for lack of a better term. As a SIG within the OO >>>>>>>>>>> org we can >>>>>>>>>>> participate in crowdfunding campaigns, engage a dev to develop a >>>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>>> important to us but might not be recognised as important to the >>>>>>>>>>> larger QGIS >>>>>>>>>>> project, or engage a trainer to provide professional development >>>>>>>>>>> via Zoom, >>>>>>>>>>> the types of things that are hard to do as individuals or as a user >>>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>>> with no funds etc. The membership arrangement also allows us to >>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>> membership to organisations which will become a way for them to >>>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>> QGIS and their local QGIS community. Ideally, this is where a >>>>>>>>>>> majority of >>>>>>>>>>> the funds would come from as we don't want an individual to be >>>>>>>>>>> excluded due >>>>>>>>>>> to a "fee", which is also covered in the charter. I'm available as >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure >>>>>>>>>>> the other proposers are to discuss the intention of this further >>>>>>>>>>> and in the >>>>>>>>>>> open on this list. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Any questions feel free to ask or if you prefer to >>>>>>>>>>> comment on the charter that is fine too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I look forward to discussing this with you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Andrew >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "QGIS Australia User Group" group. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>> australian-qgis-user-group+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>> 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