Hey,

This is hopefully the last of the meeting minutes to catch up - again, OGB 
members, feel free to reply inline with comments, given that I didn't send 
these 
to ogb-private before hand.


Glynn

==

OGB Meeting Minutes :: 20th February 2008

Present: Alan, Ben, Casper, Glynn, Steve, Rich
Absent: Keith
Other: Simon Phipps, John Plocher (:15), Brian Gupta (:15)

Recording: 
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/ogb/audio-recordings/ogb-meeting-20-02-2008.mp3

1) Annual Meeting and Elections

    John Plocher sent out a mail on the 29th January, summarizing the OGB
    accomplishments of the year. Rich asked if John's email was sufficient of an
    annual report, or whether it needed more work. Ben suggested that one or
    more members of the OGB should go over it. Steve added that it wouldn't
    cover anything past the end of January.

    ACTION: Steve and Ben to take on the ownership of producing the annual
            report. Steve will take a first pass, and send to Ben to review.

    A few people have been nominated for the elections, but not yet accepted.
    Glynn will track the nominations as OGB secretary. Simon suggested the use
    of defect.opensolaris.org as a possible forum for tracking this, so it
    didn't have to rely on a single person to do this. Other communities had
    successfully used this as a general issue tracker, and Simon advised its
    use for constitutional amendments.

    ACTION: Glynn to add a new category to defect.opensolaris.org to allow
            tracking of these types of issues.

    Ben asked who will chair the members meeting. Rich commented that it would
    be him, but didn't expect to hang around all the time. Steve added that 
would
    be fine, and once the meeting had opened we could let the bot record people
    enter the channel. Glynn said that the channel and logging bot had been
    setup. The channel name is #opensolaris-meeting on irc.freenode.net.

    Simon suggested there would be some constitutional amendments happening 
soon,
    and asked what process would be used to triage those. Steve asked if the
    default QA contact should be ogb-discuss. Alan added that it could be a 
watch
    alias, rather than necessarily the mailing list itself. Steve asked what the
    process was for putting amendments onto the ballot. Simon pointed Steve at
    #555, outlining that there was no current process for including them. Simon
    has suggested that prior to the annual meeting, we put forward the process
    of proposing constitutional amendments with, say, 3 +1's from Members and
    no -1's within a period of 5 days to get on to the ballot. Simon also
    proposed that constitutional amendments only happened during the Members
    meeting and any Special meetings, and that discussion should take place on
    the Core Contributors mailing list.

    Ben asked if a link from bugs.opensolaris.org could point to
    defect.opensolaris.org as many people didn't know about the existance of the
    latter.

    ACTION: Glynn to ping Derek about adding a link on bugs.opensolaris.org to
            defect.opensolaris.org

2) OGB Response to Trademark Statement

    Rich commented that more people in the community than not are looking for a
    response from the OGB. Rich has drafted a private draft for discussion. 
Steve
    asked if this was a motion to vote on responding with this draft, or whether
    it was just to respond generally. Ben mentioned that several OGB members
    had already made public comments about the situation, and asked if a OGB
    statement would be worth it. Steve commented that it would still be good to
    have an OGB response, as liaisons of the community involved in discussion
    with Sun. Rich added that this was the most controversial topic of the year,
    and deserved a response.

    John commented that any statement would be representative of the community
    rather than the collection of the OGB members, and is concerned if the
    opinions are different. Steve added that we needed to be careful for the
    proportion of silent members who may or may not agree with the statement.
    Casper commented that it would be hard to speak for everyone, and that
    opinions were divided on this, and that all that could be done would be to
    summarize the situation. Steve replied that OGB were the elected
    representatives of the community. Rich added that he also wanted to be
    considerate of the Sun employed OGB members while writing the response.

    John commented that he suggested it would be good to have a response for
    past actions and future wishes, and that the community was expecting to
    see the latter especially. Brian asked if the initial founding principles
    of an independent community seperate to Sun's business objectives was
    still a valid and achievable goal, and whether it is a goal we're
    striving to further, or back away from.

    The OGB voted on whether it should issue a statement in response to
    Sun's statement, with the content not yet defined -

    Agree: Alan, Ben, Casper, Glynn, Steve, Rich

    Ben asked if the statement could include a broader set of issues, or
    kept as close as possible to the topic in question. Alan agreed that it
    could include the independence issue. Casper didn't mind either way.
    Glynn commented that he would prefer to keep the statement simple, and
    would like to have further discussions with Sun rather than surprise them
    with issues that they may or may not be aware of. Steve is ok with a few
    lines with a wider scope, but felt that an official OGB statement should
    be simple so as not to confuse the issues. Rich agreed with Steve, and
    suggested that less is more in this occasion. Steve suggested that a
    follow up statement to address the broader issues would be appropriate.

    Simon suggested that the community needed to be led forward and out of the
    current situation, and how you did that depended on whether there was
    further discussions with Sun to be had. John added that a large part of
    this was leading the community out of this, and encouraged the OGB members
    to make some decisions on this.

    Steve asked if there was going to be further discussion on the draft. Rich
    agreed that that was sensible, and asked if the discussion should be on the
    public list or ogb-private. Steve commented that it would probably be more
    focused on ogb-private for the moment. John suggested that it would not
    be inappropriate to include Bill Franklin in the discussion. Ben felt there
    was not likely to be any further negotiations on the matter with Sun, and
    that it was now OGB's responsibility to respond to that statement.

    ACTION: Rich to continue discussion on ogb-private around the OGB reponse
            to Sun's trademark statement.

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