Garrett D'Amore wrote: > John Sonnenschein wrote: > >> And with Sun doing it's own thing in spite of the community, I fear >> that this will never change ( after all, why would you join an >> open-source project if your concerns just going to be ignored by the >> company that "really owns" the community ? ) >> >> > > Okay, this is exactly the kind of comment that is *not* helpful. It > doesn't convey any new information, and it just further bloodies a horse > that has long since expired. > > Sun "owns" the trademark, and is either unable or unwilling to cede > control over it. However, nearly *everything* else has been or is in > the process of being, given over to the community. > > As far as I know, there has been *one* decision, involving a Sun > trademark, that some people are not happy with. To be quite honest, I've > been both inside and outside Sun, and I can tell you that I resent the > coloring of the entire company that the above excerpt seems to make. > > One of the reasons I was so happy to come back to work for Sun is what I > perceive to be the company's strong commitment to open source and open > communities. Even in light of the whole naming/T&B snafu, I don't think > that has changed. Yes, there are still things that need to progress, > such as getting an open RTI process, but that is evolving, and I don't > think anyone at the company is actively attempting to prevent or hinder > that work (rather the opposite is true). > > IMO, Sun is probably "the" model company for open source participation > and leadership -- there may be companies that are "more open", but I > suspect that few if any of them even come *close* to Sun in open source > contribution and participation (taken as either numbers of lines of > code, dollars invested, numbers of projects, historical contributions, > or pretty much any other reasonable benchmark.) What would be *really* > refreshing, would be if instead of incessantly berating Sun over *one* > decision, the community took a moment to say "thanks Sun, for your past, > present, and continuing contributions to the open source world!" I know > that's just a bit of altruism on my part, but hey, I can dream, can't > I? (And yes, I know Sun had something to gain by doing all this, but > does that make the gift any less valuable?) > > Again, I point out, if you don't like Sun's leadership in this > community, you are free to take the source code and start your own > community using whatever governance rules you like. Have fun! And yes, > at this point, I am actively interested in silencing this "debate", > because at the end of the day, I believe it is at best totally pointless > (nothing good can come of it), and at worst very destructive to the > community. > > Please stop beating dead horses. > > -- Garrett > > > > I wouldn't go as far as making them the model company, but I sure +1 on everything else you mention. We seem to concentrate on sticking the finger into every single mistake SUN does without encouraging them to increase their OpenSourcy behaviour by telling them how well they have done with all this stuff. So cudos to you for doing that, we all should have done it.
What is missing and I think its a really really big problem is more communication from SUN, especially from the management level. A lot of the discussion tends to state what participants in it assume SUN wants, thinks, decides and so on. If SUN would start passing more of that information to the OGB as well as maybe to the community at large, a lot of the arguments would probably just dissolve in hot air. Although I don't know if such a motion makes any sense int he light of me not being a core contributor ;) I would still like to ask if the OGB would take into consideration putting a request for a regular update by SUN to the community about its plans and strategy regarding OpenSolaris to SUN. Besides that I would have assumed that there is a constant information flow between SUNs decision makers and the OGB but it occurs to me, reading and participating in this and other threads, that there is a lack of that. Just my impressions and thoughts Michal -- -- Michal Bielicki CEO http://www.voiceworks.pl/ Voice Works Sp. z o.o. z siedziba w Warszawie przy ulicy Polnej 46/14, 00-644 Warszawa, Polska wpisana zostala do rejestru przedsiebiorcow prowadzonego przez Sad Rejonowy dla M.ST.Warszawy w Warszawie, XII Wydzial Krajowego Rejestru Sadowego pod numerem KRS 0000257259. NIP 701-00-25-117 Wysokosc kapitalu zakladowego: 51000,00 PLN
