Alan DuBoff wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> 
>> Stephen Hahn sent repeated mails to each community over a 6 month+ 
>> period.
> 
> Really, I don't remember seeing them, I wonder if they were sent to 
> device-driver-interest or where? I'll look back and see if I missed 
> those, but don't remember any, this is the first I've heard of it.
> 
> I don't see them here though...????
> 
> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=79

They were sent to just the community leaders, not to the mailing lists of
each community.

>> No one from the Device Drivers community responded with a single name of
>> a person who should be recognized as a Contributor to the community and
>> a member of the community's decision making body.
> 
> Where were those emails sent to repeatedly, do you know?

To the leaders of the communities - I've attached one of the ones I got,
which was cc'ed to you and the other leaders of the Device Driver community
as you can see in it's header.

In case that missed anyone, a later call went out to opensolaris-discuss
and opensolaris-code:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2007-January/022870.html

> It's most interesting that not one of the dozen Device Driver Community 
> Leaders responded to those repeated inquiries.
> 
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/device_drivers/leaders/

Very much so - we've all been wondering why you didn't respond.

> As an engineer, don't you find those statistics quite astonishing? I 
> mean, engineers are typically not the shy types and will typically voice 
> their participation, yet in this case something fell through the cracks.

>> No, most other communities have selected people who can vote to make
>> decisions for the community.
> 
> Is it possible to get a rundown somewhere of which communities responded 
> and/or where their messages were sent?

http://blogs.sun.com/alanc/entry/ogb_elections_contributors_and_voters

>> Agreed - but we haven't got that far yet.
> 
> If there's communities that are defunct we should get rid of them. Your 
> position is annoying, as a person representing the OGB, that you didn't 
> find it odd that not one of the dozen community leaders responded.

I found it very odd and have said so repeatedly before.   This was brought
up when the previous OGB had to step in and name Garrett D'Amore, Masayuki 
Murayama, and Juergen Keil as core contributors because the Device Drivers
community had failed to do so:
    http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=103808

Of course, Device Drivers seems like a valid community, so the OGB is more
likely to agree to a proposal to establish a valid set of Contributors to
run it than to shut it down - but for now, there is no one who can claim to
speak for the Device Drivers community or vote to take action on it's behalf.

-- 
        -Alan Coopersmith-           alan.coopersmith at sun.com
         Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering

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