Done. Agenda link for next meeting currently broken. Valerie Bubb Fenwick wrote: > Hi Deirdre - > > I didn't see any comments on these - so can you please post > them to the official minutes location? thank you, > > Valerie > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:03:29 -0800 (PST) > From: Valerie Bubb Fenwick <Valerie.Fenwick at sun.com> > To: ogb-private at opensolaris.org > Subject: [ogb-private] OGB Meeting Minutes - Tuesday Feb 23 11am - > 12pm PT > > FYI, not sure if Teresa could mail this alias. > > Valerie > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:11:23 -0800 > From: Teresa.Giacomini at sun.com > To: ogb-private at opensolaris.org > Cc: Deirdre Straughan <Deirdre.Straughan at sun.com>, > Valerie Bubb Fenwick <Valerie.Fenwick at sun.com>, > Teresa Giacomini <Teresa.Giacomini at sun.com> > Subject: OGB Meeting Minutes - Tuesday Feb 23 11am - 12pm PT > > Hi folks, > > Here are my notes. Sorry I did not send earlier. Let me know if I > need to change anything. These are pretty much in the order of the > conversation. They may need to be cleaned up a bit to make more sense. > > Thanks, > T > > > Attendees: > > Jim Walker > Vincent Murphy > Valerie Bub Fenwick > Peter Tribble > Michelle Luna > Lynn Rohrer > Greg Lavender > Dan Roberts > Simon Phipps > David Comay > John Plocher > ...and more > > Greg Lavender Intro > > Senior Director of Engineering for the Core Solaris Operating System. > Everything except the file system. Reports to John Fowler. > > Dan Roberts Intro > > Director of Solaris Product Management. Covers Solaris technologies > across the board as well as Solaris Cluster and Solaris Studio. > > Threads on opensolaris.org > > Dan - very aware of the the threads. Watching since day 1. Tough not > to respond immediately. Oracle's understanding of OpenSolaris overall > was > not as deep as we would have liked. Some things are relatively clear > now. From a process standpoint: talking with OGB today, within the > next couple of days there will be an external position posted to the > forums etc. (May not happen by the community meeting on Thursday.) > Various announcements and such will come over the next couple weeks. > These will be signed off by both John Fowler and Edward Screven. What > can we talk about and say: > > * Oracle is increasing investment in Solaris and Oracle considers > OpenSolaris a part of Solaris. > > * Will continue to support the community. > > * Will continue to contribute to the source base. > > * Plan to continue OpenSolaris releases. > > * Solaris releases will continue. > > * What will Oracle do to support OpenSolaris as a distribution? We > will continue to support Solaris offerings and we will continue to > include OpenSolaris. The form will change. We will no longer offer > independent support offerings for Solaris or OpenSolaris. They will be > part of Systems Support Offerings that include Sun hardware. > > * Oracle has a policy to take commitment of futures very very seriously. > Where Sun used to be fairly open about roadmaps and such, Oracle will > not be so. Takes rulings around revenue recognition very seriously. We > will not be making future plans known, but that does not change the > strategy. > > Q - JB - If they are not going to be sharing roadmaps and such, does > that mean that the type of information JB shares will need to cease? > > A - DR - We will have to see. For process-related stuff from an > engineering perspective we will likely need to continue, but how we say > things will likely change. Dan gave an example. From the mechanics of > working with the community on engineering, there will need to be some > transparency. > > Q - JP - Same question from the architectural perspective. How about > planning that needs to take into account whether something should be > included in a major, minor, micro release? How will this type of > planning be handled? How do we talk about that sort of thing and the > implications if we don't know what the vehicles for distribution are? > > A - GL - We have to tease apart what Oracle does with its proprietary > products versus how this would be handled within a community doing joint > developments. > > GL - We are marching toward our 2010.03 release. We plan to release > it. It may be April. The only requirement right now is what is the > quality. Each release has been progressively better. > > ML - In the past, in advance of each release there has been a town hall. > Might want to consider that. There are a couple of vehicles > to get the message out. > > VBF - Annual meeting is usually a week-long IRC meeting. > > JP - Dial-in Town-hall sequence. > > JB & JW - Given that we are about to elect a new OGB, and Oracle seems > to want to have more control. It would be wise for Oracle to make > things clear before the election, even if it means postponing the > election. > > GL - working with the executives to make this happen. They really value > the community. Want to see it continue. Generally positive about what > the future looks like for Solaris. Enthusiastic. Will get to you with > specifics, but it is just going to take a bit more time. Need to have > the right conversations with the right folks. > > ML - Sun management supporting employees as OGB members. Will this > continue? > > Q - SP - The future of Sun Studio has come up on list a couple of times. > Will this end up as open source? Needs a firm answer. > > A - DR - Studio is definitely going to continue as a product going > forward. Whether it will become open-sourced or not, there is no answer > yet. No change in direction yet. > > Q - SP - The only people speaking in the community so far from Oracle > are the user group folks. Does the community include co-developers? > > A - DR - Oracle does understand what a real community is and looks like. > > JP - when Sun started the OpenSolaris effort the direction was very > strong to nuture true co-development. It changed over the next couple > of years to - Sun wants to do the heavy-lifting. What is the > relationship between the external developers vs the Oracle employees > working on Solaris? > > GL - Crossbow has had quite a bit of community activity. ZFS and > storage too. As we explain the advantages and value prop to Edward > Screven and such, they are seeing new possibilities. > > Q - PT - What about support on third-party hardware? > > A - DR - At this point Oracle is very focused on places where they can > make revenue and margin. Unfortunately for us, we have not seen a good > uptake on those standalone subscriptions. Has seen more emails on the > topic than the total number of systems sold. Hard to make a case. At > this point, there are no plans to support non-Sun systems. We will > continue to honor existing contracts for the term of that contract. > Over time, we hope to move folks over to Sun hardware. > > Q - PT - What about regular Solaris? > > A - DR - Same answer as above. > > Q - PT - Will the ability to download and run it without support > continue? > > A - DR - Look at the licenses carefully. Production deployments will > require a support agreement which is sold on Sun systems only. > > ====== Dan, Greg, Lynn and Vincent left the call at this time. ====== > > Other Business > > Some items have not been voted on > Final step, needs to be moved to opensolaris.org > > Need to vote on last three items > > All documents need to be cleaned up for consistency with the new > constitution. This will be done as part of moving to xWiki. > > Group Lifecycle - Approved with agreed changes > Group Management - Approved with Michelle's changes > Electorate Membership Process - Approved > > AI - Valerie will move stuff that John and Valerie both owned to > opensolaris.org > > AI - John P to figure out how are we going to count the people that > join the meeting? > > AI - John P will send the announcement too. > > AI - Valerie to reconfirm the total of core contributors is 428; 214 > is quorum. - DONE > > AI - Michelle - add the nominees to the election web page > > > > _______________________________________________ > ogb-private mailing list > ogb-private at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/ogb-private
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