On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe.net> wrote:
> John Plocher wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010, Garrett D'Amore wrote to PSARC-ext:
> >> Ultimately, you won't be able to dictate terms to Oracle about how it
> should
> >> manage its code or its IP, or even its trademarks. At present the ON
> >> "upstream" is Oracle's code; the gatekeepers serve as Oracle employees
> >> acting in Oracle's interests.
> >>...
> >> I don't think anyone (at least in management) at Oracle believes that it
> >> is in Oracle's best interest that one of its flagship products should be
> held
> >> completely hostage to the demands of a community who may or may
> >> not have Oracle's best interests at heart.
> >
> > Wow.
> >
> > What a complete change of corporate perspective and individual attitude.
>
> I see no change here except the word "Oracle" replacing "Sun". I think
> you're looking at the pre-merger case with glasses so heavily rose
> tinted they blind.
>
Two days ago in Argentina the "Oracle + Sun" conference took place. Two
of the AOSUG admins were there, and of course, noticing no news about open
source was announced, asked about OpenSolaris.
The answer was sort of "we will continue to invest in open source
technologies". Nothing unexpected with this answer.
The reality: I personally sent several emails to the "assigned" Oracle
employee, and received no answer at all.
We are working here to have one of the biggest events in the year, the
Latin American Free Software Installation Festival, then I (and several
other LATAM OSUG leaders) asked if CD's, or minibooks will be sent to us. No
answer at all.
In previous festivals, sending an email to Teresa was enough to receive
all the needed material on time.
Having this fact in mind, and considering that the festival will take
place with or without CD's, minibooks, etc., I wrote a mini tutorial about
how to create OpenSolaris distros to be used there. Then, avoided to
consider the contribution of the corporation to our communities.
Same with other aspects, such as press, marketing material, etc.
Let's assume we own a company, and are interested in making it bigger
every day. We normally invest in marketing, and support people who make
marketing for free shouting our product's name.
If we don't have interests in a product, we simply don't support that
people.
Thinking about this, the conclusions are very claire, with no second
readings. And without glasses. The SUN is no longer here, no glasses needed.
>
> > If this is indeed a valid reflection of Oracle's mindset, we've gone
> > from an open community of developers in 2005 where Sun actively moved
> > development and decision making out into the community, to its
> > opposite, where everything is slowly getting sucked back into Oracle.
>
> Except for the "Decision making" part, which is what Garrett seemed to
> be talking about.
>
> If you want the OGB to get (no doubt ineffectually, if what you suppose
> to be true actually is), it seems better to wait for behaviour both
> *markedly different* and bad before doing it.
>
> -- Rich
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