the internet had a lot more tildes and "/cgi-bin/" in the urls back then
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM, James Paige <b...@hamsterrepublic.com> wrote: > I remember I made that whole site in a text editor and tested it only with > Lynx. Netscape wouldn't run on my computer back then > > > On Monday, May 15, 2017, Michael Kidder <mkid...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, the first time I ever downloaded it was off the cyberverse website. >> I still vaguely remember what the site looked like back then even without >> checking wayback. >> >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Ralph Versteegen <teeem...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 12 May 2017 at 17:39, Ralph Versteegen <teeem...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 May 2017 at 16:22, James Paige <b...@hamsterrepublic.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think the first release would have been a custom.zip uploaded to >>>>> some location under http://www.cyberverse.com/~spam/ which was my >>>>> site before the hamsterrepublic.com domain was ever registered. It >>>>> probably happened in late 1996, or early 1997 and it would have been >>>>> announced in an off-topic thread on the forums for the Verge RPG maker. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh, interesting. I had a look on archive.org (in the beta version they >>>> have a keyword search you can use to find all websites on a topic, but it >>>> still missin >>>> >>> Err, it's still missing nearly all individual sites for OHR games. And I >>> couldn't find any old verge forums (which would have been very unlikely to >>> have been archived anyway) >>> >>>> But you mean late 1997/early 1998. The 20th anniversary of the first >>>> release is still some time away. The 20th anniversary of the start of the >>>> OHR was most of a year ago. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I don't think sample.rpg and npc_tag.rpg existed in the first release, >>>>> just wander.rpg >>>>> >>>> >>>> In that case I'm inclined to guesstimate a release date of early Jan >>>> 1998 or Dec 1997. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I know the BAM format pre-dates the ohrrpgce, and was first used for >>>>> Bob the Hamster VGA... that was probably 1994 or 1995? I Think notate was >>>>> from then too, so timestamps on notate-related files probably aren't >>>>> helpful. >>>>> >>>> >>>> But those files were touched within a month or two of the release, and >>>> I thought there might have been a link, althogh you've almost certainly >>>> forgotten that now. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know development definitely started in 1996, in the summer after I >>>>> graduated from high school. I know I didn't upload it for a while, and I >>>>> think I uploaded wh_demo.zip a few months before uploading custom, but I >>>>> really don't remember for sure. >>>>> >>>>> If I had to pick an arbitrary birth-day for the ohrrpgce, I would >>>>> estimate that the 20th anniversary already happened at least a few months >>>>> ago. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> However, but brain is well known to be fuzzy, and I think that a >>>>> better and more satisfying birthday would probably be whatever first >>>>> release we actually still have hard evidence of, even if it isn't the >>>>> actual first. >>>>> >>>> >>>> In that case, might as well use Nov 6 1997, the Wandering Hamster demo, >>>> which can still be downloaded and played. It wasn't the first release of >>>> WH, though. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Ralph Versteegen <teeem...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I haven't any new information, but am still trying to figure out when >>>>>> the first release was. The 20th anniversary is coming up and maybe we >>>>>> should pick a nominal point (period?) at which to celebrate. :) There >>>>>> was >>>>>> a WH demo on Nov 6 1997, so it was after that. >>>>>> >>>>>> I noticed that in the earliest source backup the zz_486.bat file, >>>>>> which packages wh_demo.zip and custom.zip, has a timestamp of Jan 26 >>>>>> 1998. >>>>>> I'm guessing that this timestamp corresponds to a release, unless it's >>>>>> after the first release and James was adding some new files. It includes >>>>>> sample.rpg and npc_tag.rpg; would the first release have included those? >>>>>> When was the HOWTO written? Also, cleanup.bat, to move files into import/ >>>>>> if the unzip didn't preserve folders, has a Jan 14 timestamp. The oldest >>>>>> surviving .rpg file is April 30th. >>>>>> >>>>>> Other timestamps which might be relevant: >>>>>> 1246 11-26-1997 17:06 IMPORT/DECOLD.BAM >>>>>> 73980 11-27-1997 07:00 IMPORT/NOTATE.EXE >>>>>> 30588 12-18-1997 20:19 IMPORT/PLAYBAM.EXE >>>>>> 33414 01-15-1998 14:53 IMPORT/TEMPLATE.NOT >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, in an old custom.zip: >>>>>> 1543 07-07-1996 12:47 ohrrpgce.mas >>>>>> The Timeline article says OHRRPGCE development started in 1996. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (Relatedly, I haven't spliced those two additional old backups of the >>>>>> OHR source into the git log yet but will. This time I might use >>>>>> git-replace >>>>>> instead of rewriting history.) >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Ohrrpgce mailing list >>>>>> ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org >>>>>> http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherh >>>>>> amster.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ohrrpgce mailing list >>>>> ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org >>>>> http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ohrrpgce mailing list >>> ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org >>> http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Ohrrpgce mailing list > ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org > http://lists.motherhamster.org/listinfo.cgi/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org > >
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