Sarah, I think what it comes down to is that publishers are somewhat like anarchists -- they seem to live to NOT follow any rules. There are series that are made up of new works, and there are series that gather together works previously published (like all of those "Great Classics" series). So I think that whatever you can say about series is true, only lots of other things are true also. This makes it hard to know where to put series. In the case of something like Harry Potter, the series is clearly inherent in the work itself -- it's about the content of the books. But for those "Great Classics" series, it's something that was added later by a publisher as a way to organize a group of unrelated works.
It seems to me that our vocabulary is poor in this area -- it doesn't make sense that both of these are called by the same name. If you have other ideas for what to call them -- please send a suggestion. kc Quoting Sarah Breau <smbr...@hotmail.com>: > > Just a thought, as I was editing a book that had several editions > AND was in a series, I was thinking that maybe there should be a > series field at the work level instead of (or maybe in addition to) > at the edition level. It seems to me that in most cases, the series > field would be the same across all editions, and so could be > captured at the work level. Maybe that's just because I haven't yet > come across a book where one edition was part of a series but other > editions weren't... > >> From: ol-discuss-requ...@archive.org >> Subject: Ol-discuss Digest, Vol 41, Issue 10 >> To: ol-discuss@archive.org >> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:00:02 -0800 >> >> Send Ol-discuss mailing list submissions to >> ol-discuss@archive.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ol-discuss-requ...@archive.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ol-discuss-ow...@archive.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Ol-discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Titles in a series? (Horst Gutmann) >> 2. Re: Titles in a series? (Karen Coyle) >> 3. Re: Titles in a series? (Horst Gutmann) >> 4. Re: Titles in a series? (Karen Coyle) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:03:44 +0100 >> From: Horst Gutmann <ho...@zerokspot.com> >> Subject: [ol-discuss] Titles in a series? >> To: ol-discuss@archive.org >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktimd+jjn-kdizso+dgdxgd-7xv6md4qw-gmhb...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Hi :-) >> >> First mail to this list so: Hello, everyone :-) >> >> I have a bunch of Star Trek books lying around and noticed that so far >> most of them catalogued in the OL were imported automatically and so I >> thought I could spend some time improving the meta data there. Given >> that they are mostly all part of a series or sub-series I'm not quite >> sure, though, how that should be represented in the title structure or >> *if* it even should be represented at all. >> >> For example: http://openlibrary.org/works/OL5886066W/Star_Trek_Destiny >> is listed as "Star Trek: Destiny" as the main title, which is actually >> the series title. IMO the primary name of this book is "Gods of Night" >> (which also exists as a duplicate entry with exactly this name) which >> is Book I of the series "Star Trek: Destiny". >> >> Are there perhaps some examples I could look at? >> >> Thank you :-) >> -- Horst >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:29:23 -0800 >> From: Karen Coyle <kco...@kcoyle.net> >> Subject: Re: [ol-discuss] Titles in a series? >> To: ol-discuss@archive.org >> Message-ID: <20101226072923.23325uq0lk0ku...@kcoyle.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; >> format="flowed" >> >> Horst, welcome to the list and to the ongoing debate about series :-). >> And thanks for offering to do some work on the Star Trek books. >> >> I agree with you, that the title of the individual book should go in >> the title field. In particular, that will make the automatic matching >> of book titles more accurate. The series can go in the series field. >> We have talked of creating lists (http://openlibrary.org/lists) for >> these popular series (Star Trek, Harry Potter, etc.) as a way to bring >> them together for those of us who like to read a whole series (and >> some of us want to read them in order). We have also talked of >> creating a special field for these "reading series" -- that is, books >> that have something in common for readers, as opposed to the series >> that are like "Acta Whatsits v. 27" that are more of a way that >> publishers and libraries keep track of things. Meanwhile, putting the >> series name in the series field gets us toward those goals. >> >> Thanks again, >> kc >> >> Quoting Horst Gutmann <ho...@zerokspot.com>: >> >> > Hi :-) >> > >> > First mail to this list so: Hello, everyone :-) >> > >> > I have a bunch of Star Trek books lying around and noticed that so far >> > most of them catalogued in the OL were imported automatically and so I >> > thought I could spend some time improving the meta data there. Given >> > that they are mostly all part of a series or sub-series I'm not quite >> > sure, though, how that should be represented in the title structure or >> > *if* it even should be represented at all. >> > >> > For example: http://openlibrary.org/works/OL5886066W/Star_Trek_Destiny >> > is listed as "Star Trek: Destiny" as the main title, which is actually >> > the series title. IMO the primary name of this book is "Gods of Night" >> > (which also exists as a duplicate entry with exactly this name) which >> > is Book I of the series "Star Trek: Destiny". >> > >> > Are there perhaps some examples I could look at? >> > >> > Thank you :-) >> > -- Horst >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ol-discuss mailing list >> > Ol-discuss@archive.org >> > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:09:59 +0100 >> From: Horst Gutmann <ho...@zerokspot.com> >> Subject: Re: [ol-discuss] Titles in a series? >> To: Open Library -- general discussion <ol-discuss@archive.org> >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktinmb+mz91ucaynzguqu800u1aznayskv79dx...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Hello Karen, >> >> sounds great :-) Apologies are in order, though: After you mentioned >> that there already is a "series" field I finally found the "Librarian >> mode" button which revealed that field :-) >> >> Best wishes, >> Horst >> >> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Karen Coyle <kco...@kcoyle.net> wrote: >> > Horst, welcome to the list and to the ongoing debate about series :-). >> > And thanks for offering to do some work on the Star Trek books. >> > >> > I agree with you, that the title of the individual book should go in >> > the title field. In particular, that will make the automatic matching >> > of book titles more accurate. The series can go in the series field. >> > We have talked of creating lists (http://openlibrary.org/lists) for >> > these popular series (Star Trek, Harry Potter, etc.) as a way to bring >> > them together for those of us who like to read a whole series (and >> > some of us want to read them in order). We have also talked of >> > creating a special field for these "reading series" -- that is, books >> > that have something in common for readers, as opposed to the series >> > that are like "Acta Whatsits v. 27" that are more of a way that >> > publishers and libraries keep track of things. Meanwhile, putting the >> > series name in the series field gets us toward those goals. >> > >> > Thanks again, >> > kc >> > >> > Quoting Horst Gutmann <ho...@zerokspot.com>: >> > >> >> Hi :-) >> >> >> >> First mail to this list so: Hello, everyone :-) >> >> >> >> I have a bunch of Star Trek books lying around and noticed that so far >> >> most of them catalogued in the OL were imported automatically and so I >> >> thought I could spend some time improving the meta data there. Given >> >> that they are mostly all part of a series or sub-series I'm not quite >> >> sure, though, how that should be represented in the title structure or >> >> *if* it even should be represented at all. >> >> >> >> For example: http://openlibrary.org/works/OL5886066W/Star_Trek_Destiny >> >> is listed as "Star Trek: Destiny" as the main title, which is actually >> >> the series title. IMO the primary name of this book is "Gods of Night" >> >> (which also exists as a duplicate entry with exactly this name) which >> >> is Book I of the series "Star Trek: Destiny". >> >> >> >> Are there perhaps some examples I could look at? >> >> >> >> Thank you :-) >> >> -- Horst >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> >> Ol-discuss@archive.org >> >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Karen Coyle >> > kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >> > ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> > m: 1-510-435-8234 >> > skype: kcoylenet >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ol-discuss mailing list >> > Ol-discuss@archive.org >> > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:33:40 -0800 >> From: Karen Coyle <kco...@kcoyle.net> >> Subject: Re: [ol-discuss] Titles in a series? >> To: Open Library -- general discussion <ol-discuss@archive.org> >> Message-ID: <20101226083340.77305b5lln77w...@kcoyle.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; >> format="flowed" >> >> Aha! I didn't realize it was hidden there, but will remember that for >> next time. No apology needed. >> >> kc >> >> Quoting Horst Gutmann <ho...@zerokspot.com>: >> >> > Hello Karen, >> > >> > sounds great :-) Apologies are in order, though: After you mentioned >> > that there already is a "series" field I finally found the "Librarian >> > mode" button which revealed that field :-) >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > Horst >> > >> > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Karen Coyle <kco...@kcoyle.net> wrote: >> >> Horst, welcome to the list and to the ongoing debate about series :-). >> >> And thanks for offering to do some work on the Star Trek books. >> >> >> >> I agree with you, that the title of the individual book should go in >> >> the title field. In particular, that will make the automatic matching >> >> of book titles more accurate. The series can go in the series field. >> >> We have talked of creating lists (http://openlibrary.org/lists) for >> >> these popular series (Star Trek, Harry Potter, etc.) as a way to bring >> >> them together for those of us who like to read a whole series (and >> >> some of us want to read them in order). We have also talked of >> >> creating a special field for these "reading series" -- that is, books >> >> that have something in common for readers, as opposed to the series >> >> that are like "Acta Whatsits v. 27" that are more of a way that >> >> publishers and libraries keep track of things. Meanwhile, putting the >> >> series name in the series field gets us toward those goals. >> >> >> >> Thanks again, >> >> kc >> >> >> >> Quoting Horst Gutmann <ho...@zerokspot.com>: >> >> >> >>> Hi :-) >> >>> >> >>> First mail to this list so: Hello, everyone :-) >> >>> >> >>> I have a bunch of Star Trek books lying around and noticed that so far >> >>> most of them catalogued in the OL were imported automatically and so I >> >>> thought I could spend some time improving the meta data there. Given >> >>> that they are mostly all part of a series or sub-series I'm not quite >> >>> sure, though, how that should be represented in the title structure or >> >>> *if* it even should be represented at all. >> >>> >> >>> For example: http://openlibrary.org/works/OL5886066W/Star_Trek_Destiny >> >>> is listed as "Star Trek: Destiny" as the main title, which is actually >> >>> the series title. IMO the primary name of this book is "Gods of Night" >> >>> (which also exists as a duplicate entry with exactly this name) which >> >>> is Book I of the series "Star Trek: Destiny". >> >>> >> >>> Are there perhaps some examples I could look at? >> >>> >> >>> Thank you :-) >> >>> -- Horst >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Ol-discuss mailing list >> >>> Ol-discuss@archive.org >> >>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> >>> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Karen Coyle >> >> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >> >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> >> skype: kcoylenet >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> >> Ol-discuss@archive.org >> >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ol-discuss mailing list >> > Ol-discuss@archive.org >> > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> Ol-discuss@archive.org >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> >> End of Ol-discuss Digest, Vol 41, Issue 10 >> ****************************************** > -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet _______________________________________________ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
