Quoting Ralf Stephan <[email protected]>: > No, sorry, from what you write I don't think you really know > what happens when you click the Edit button of an edition > page and change the first (big) title. You are stating that this > changes the title the edition is associated with (later collected > by a bot). Actually, it simply changes the title of the associated > work entry, same as if I had clicked Edit on the work page.
Yes, that's what I thought I said, or at least intended to say. The first big title is the work title. So if you look at: http://openlibrary.org/books/OL24988779M/Wunderbare_Reisen_zu_Wasser_und_zu_Lande_Feldz%C3%BCge_und_lustige_Abentheuer_des_Freyherrn_von_M%C3%BCnchhausen When you click on Edit the first title is "Munchhausen". That is the work title. This surprised me, and I don't think most users will know to put a work title in this area. At the same time, I'm not sure how to explain to people what to put in here in a new entry. Later on in the edit screen, under "This Edition" there is another title entry area. PUtting the work title in here does not itself make the database connection between an edition andits work. It merely provides the information necessary so that the program that gathers works and editions together can connect the right edition to the right work. I don't know if that program is triggered by the change, however, so I don't know how the programmatic update actually happens. kc > > Or are you saying works with the same title/author should be merged > by a bot, adding their editions? That would make more sense > given the missing of a means to reassociate editions atm. > However, such merging does not take place. > > So, either way, functionality is missing. > > Regards, > ralf > > On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > >> Libraries run into this problem frequently, and have developed >> something they call a "uniform title". That is, they select one of the >> titles, or create one if needed be, to represent all of the variations >> of the work. That uniform title brings them together even though the >> actual titles don't. It's an artificially created link between the >> items. >> >> For reasons that I can neither explain nor defend, the Library of >> Congress has chosen to give these works the uniform title >> "Munchhausen." You may find a better solution through German >> libraries. If you look at: >> >> http://openlibrary.org/works/OL9179990W/M%C3%BCnchhausen >> >> You can see three editions, each of which has a different title. So >> you need to get the uniform (work) title into any editions that have >> not yet merged. I looked at the edit page and I admit that it is a bit >> confusing. The top box that says "title" should get the work title, >> "Munchhausen". (Look at the edit page for editions on the page I >> linked to, above.) The specific edition of the title is called for >> further down on the page. If you have (logically, IMO) placed the >> specific edition title in the upper "title" field the items will not >> merge with that work. >> >> It seems that the edit page may need some clarification... >> >> kc >> >> >> >> >> Quoting Ralf Stephan <[email protected]>: >> >>> Now that Lee has clarified what I meant (am I that >>> cryptic geek?) let me point out that old works frequently >>> have editions the titles of which can differ widely, and >>> indeed I'm looking for a way to manually help that algorithm. >>> >>> However, let the example be Bürger's Münchhausen. Let's >>> not dive into if this is really the original, simply assume it is: >>> http://openlibrary.org/books/OL24988779M >>> >>> This was not in OL so I created it as edition of the abstract >>> "Münchhausen" work. Now, there are more editions I like to >>> add to the work: >>> http://openlibrary.org/books/OL22319113M >>> http://openlibrary.org/books/OL22050216M >>> http://openlibrary.org/books/OL12668689M >>> >>> and of course I want to delete the superfluous works and >>> editions afterwards. So how would I do it? >>> >>> Regards, >>> ralf >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: >>> >>>> If that's the question, then linking happens through an algorithm. I >>>> don't remember all of the elements, but I believe that if the author >>>> and title of your edition match the author and title of the work then >>>> they will get linked to the work. It's a bit trickier for >>>> translations, where the titles don't match -- in that case it may >>>> depend on whether a linking "work title" has been included. >>>> >>>> It would still be good the see the particular example. >>>> >>>> kc >>>> >>>> Quoting Lee Passey <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, September 12, 2011 10:48 am, Karen Coyle wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> When I click on "add edition" it leads me to a page where I can add a >>>>>> new edition for that book. Is a new edition what you mean when you say >>>>>> "existing" book? >>>>> >>>>> I think it much more likely that he is not talking about books >>>>> at all, but >>>>> about records in the OL database. The question then would be: How to >>>>> I link an >>>>> existing edition record to its corresponding work record? >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe for a minute that the OL database has accurately >>>>> linked all of >>>>> the edition records with their correct work records. When an end user >>>>> discovers this kind of disconnect, how does she correct it? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ol-discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Karen Coyle >>>> [email protected] http://kcoyle.net >>>> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >>>> m: 1-510-435-8234 >>>> skype: kcoylenet >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ol-discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>> >>> Ralf Stephan >>> http://www.ark.in-berlin.de >>> ...."C'est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot." -Louis Pasteur >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ol-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> [email protected] http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> [email protected] > > Ralf Stephan > http://www.ark.in-berlin.de > ...."C'est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot." -Louis Pasteur > > _______________________________________________ > Ol-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > [email protected] > -- Karen Coyle [email protected] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet _______________________________________________ Ol-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to [email protected]
