I'm also very disappointed. I don't see a conflict of interest because of friendship; a board can always pay members of the board for costs if they choose, even by an advance if necessary. If friendship created a conflict of interest, board members could never be friends.
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 04:01:07PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote: > > I am want to say that i am very very disappointed of what this community is > turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made for > reasons that are not just worth it. > > I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the scratch > conference that would benefit the community. It was obviously refused for > reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and then decided to > cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to $500. With all the > arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the schengen visa and i > got rejected with no time to appeal because of the confusion from Sugar Labs > board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds trying to get Sugar Labs > stories > and project down to bordeaux. Because i believe that is the responsibility as > a > member of this community. > > Can someone remind me again what is the "Mission and Vision" statement of > Sugar > Labs? > > Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on the > new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is paying for > not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. Not attending the summit > create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now this motion > is > delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain confirmed. > > I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to (15 > working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and according to > Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September. > > So i am asking politely, if the community is not comfortable with me going to > the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told today or > tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that someone can > go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a visa. Because i > don't buy or understand this excuses. > > I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate politics. > > Samson > > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas <[1]la...@somosazucar.org> > wrote: > > 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <[2]walter.ben...@gmail.com>: > > Really??? > > I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? > How does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community > member (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable > funding source with whom we have been working for years represent some > "dangerous precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the > money > as individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned > to community members for travel advances... > > For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that: > > Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among > members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in > democratic decision making. > > Regards > > Laura V > > makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an > additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the > more mired within the opaque operations of our parent org. > > -walter > > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy > <[3]samsongo...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply. > > On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <[4]h...@laptop.org> wrote: > > Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go > to San Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a > personal loan. > > But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is > a dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards. > > As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from > all > such matters. > > A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this > motion. > > I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to > Sugar Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from > Sugar Labs to attend GSOC summit. > > Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel > advance? > > Dont Google pay for the travels? > > Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such > comments on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why > it is happening now, at least eating up time when i should be > scheduling for interview with the US embassy. > > > I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 > personal loan he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot. > > It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend > for life in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward > accomplishing truly incredible things in his life. > > Thanks for this note. > > On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <[5] > lionel.la...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to > hear > from him before voting. > In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain". > > Lionel. > > 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <[6] > tabi...@tabitha.net.nz>: > > I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 > travel > advance for Samson Goddy. > Tabitha > > > On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <[7] > walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. > Time > is of the essence, so please respond ASAP. > > Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar > Labs representative to the Google Summer of Code > mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance > to > cover the costs of his visa application. The > advance, including wire fees comes to $US 627.05. > This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As > additional background, Google will be covering up > to $2200 in travel expenses for two > representatives > to attend the summit. Since our other > representative is local to the SF area, the bulk > of > that money would be available to cover Samson's > travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be > negligible. > > regards. > > -walter > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy < > [8]account...@sfconservancy.org> > Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM > Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve > of US$627.05 advance for Goddy for GSoC Mentor > Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?) > To: [9]su...@sfconservancy.org > Cc: Martin Michlmayr <[10]g...@sfconservancy.org>, > Samson Goddy <[11]samsongo...@gmail.com> > > Sugar Labs PLC, please urgently page down to the > all caps section below. > > Samson, > > Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday: > > it has been 5 days, i already made request to > [12]su...@sfconservancy.org for > > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 > weeks) for the embassy to > > accept appointment for interview. > > > > I haven't heard anything from both parties. > > Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from > Sugar Labs to reply to > approve the expense. I don't know why they > haven't > replied. > > SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is > asking > for this: > > FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES > ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY ASKS > FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME > TO > GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT > 2017). The totals are as follows: > > If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate > set by WU) > > If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05) > +13+25 = US$627.05 to be wired. > wire fees > > If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before > Sunday night US/Eastern, we > can likely process a payment by wire on Monday. > > We don't typically use Western Union, and it would > be substantial effort for > us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the > additional wire fees as > it will make payment more rapid for Samson and > easier for Conservancy. > > Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I > gleaned the wrong totals > above, please correct them. > > Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC > hopefully > approving this request, > could you let me know if the wire instructions I > used for you before are > still correct, and if not, send me new ones? > > -- > Bradley M. 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