Hi Aurélien, ----- On Jul 7, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Aurélien Larcher <aurelien.larc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Tobias Oetiker < [ mailto:t...@oetiker.ch | > t...@oetiker.ch ] > wrote: >> Hi Aurélien >> the motivation behind OmniOSce is that we have come to love the the stability >> and >> tight focus of OmniOS. Many of us are running large servers that form >> critical >> pieces of our infrastructure. Loosing OmniOS was simply not an option for us. >> Since OmniTI gave up on this we were forced start doing the work on our own. > Your answer makes me think I was not clear enough or that we are discussing > two > different things ... > My point was about collaboration not about losing what you like. nothing against collaboration, on the contrary ... when looking at omnios now (with the focus of it being a server os) what do you see that is missing which oi folks could contribute, or which we could pull from oi ? >> we are happy for anyone to join us in our effort, for example also in >> providing >> a more end user focussed repo that goes along with omnios, providing a >> desktop >> environment for those who want to use the os in that capacity. > If we want another general-purpose distro with 2 maintainers and 10 users > that's > certainly the way to go ;) we are not general purpose in that sense. cheers tobi >> [ http://www.omniosce.org/ | www.omniosce.org ] >> [ http://gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby | gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby ] >> Tobias Oetiker >> On 7 Jul 2017, at 01:47, Aurélien Larcher < [ >> mailto:aurelien.larc...@gmail.com >> | aurelien.larc...@gmail.com ] > wrote: >>>> Gea, >>>> the king is dead, long live the king >>>> [ https://gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby | https://gitter.im/omniosorg/Lobby ] >>>> [ http://www.omniosce.org/ | www.omniosce.org ] >>>> the story continues ... >>> It is good news, but I would engage you to discuss about reducing the >>> fragmentation in the illumos community. >>> We have a few distros maintained by 1-3 guys without any or much momentum >>> and >>> much duplication of efforts (Debian has 1000+ devs working together and we >>> are >>> barely able to have more than 10). >>> We should join our efforts like, as I suggested, basing on common tools and >>> userland. >>> I do not see how wasting energy in duplicate efforts will help us keep/gain >>> momentum. >>> I mentioned earlier the possibility of a virtuous circle with OI as the >>> rolling >>> testing and OmniOS the stable: to be honest I see very little sense in >>> maintaining two "testing" with such a small manpower. In the long term this >>> does not seem sustainable. >>> At least some degree of collaboration should be maintained on documentation, >>> pkg(5) and updates of Python/Perl/GCC with the same source repository. >>> Of course this is not "right now", as you need to maintain continuity, but >>> we >>> should plan the next 6 month cycle to decide on common requirements and >>> make it >>> happen. >>> I saw Peter has built illumos-omnios on Tribblix, I think we should do the >>> same >>> on OpenIndiana: the issue is not about doing it once (I did it last year) >>> but >>> having a person commited to maintain it. >>> Convergence is necessary, at least to some extent, discussion is open. :) >>> Kind regards >>> Aurélien >>>> cheers >>>> tobi >>>> ----- On Jul 5, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Guenther Alka < [ >>>> mailto:a...@hfg-gmuend.de | >>>> a...@hfg-gmuend.de ] > wrote: >>>>> about OmniOS and the silence for weeks >>>>> For my own future, I have already decided to switch back to OpenIndiana, >>>>> the >>>>> community based sister project of OmniOS. But like many users, I have yet >>>>> OmniOS installations running perfectly. For them, it is essential to ask >>>>> about >>>>> the future for the next months or year and needed next steps (can wait >>>>> some >>>>> time or switch as soon as possible). >>>>> @ OmniTi >>>>> The end of OmniOS@OmniTi seems final. >>>>> - How long will the website and the repo remain online? >>>>> - Is there an option to fix serious bugs or problems in OmniOS @OmniTi for >>>>> a limited time like 1 year or at least end of the year? >>>>> - Are you willing to transfer the website/name either to a new OmniOS >>>>> community >>>>> project (I cannot see this as an option regarding the silence about) or >>>>> to the >>>>> OpenIndiana community to use it as a name for a possible stable like >>>>> OpenIndiana Hipster=dev and OpenIndiana OmniOS as a stable subset? (if OI >>>>> is >>>>> willing to go that route but the request or offer must come from OmniTi or >>>>> OmniOS people). >>>>> OmniOS has a very strong reputation regarding production quality and >>>>> stability, >>>>> so such a step would help both if OpenIndiana and OmniOS would cooperate >>>>> in a >>>>> common project. Seems a pity if the name would die or remain as a name >>>>> for a >>>>> failed project. >>>>> @OmniOS developers (current or former - you have done a very good job!) >>>>> - Is there an option to fix serious bugs or problems in OmniOS for a >>>>> limited >>>>> time like 1 year or at least end of the year? This would help until a >>>>> sucessor >>>>> (less likely OmniOS 151024 , maybe next OpenIndiana snap with a stable >>>>> subset) >>>>> is available. LX would then remain an OmniOS option in the meantime (I >>>>> would >>>>> not dare to ask about an upstream). >>>>> @all >>>>> comments? >>>>> Gea >>>>> @ [ http://napp-it.org/ | napp-it.org ] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OmniOS-discuss mailing list >>>>> [ mailto:OmniOS-discuss@lists.omniti.com | >>>>> OmniOS-discuss@lists.omniti.com ] >>>>> [ http://lists.omniti.com/mailman/listinfo/omnios-discuss | >>>>> http://lists.omniti.com/mailman/listinfo/omnios-discuss ] >>>> -- >>>> Tobi Oetiker, OETIKER+PARTNER AG, Aarweg 15 CH-4600 Olten, Switzerland >>>> [ http://www.oetiker.ch/ | www.oetiker.ch ] [ mailto:t...@oetiker.ch | >>>> t...@oetiker.ch ] [ tel:+41%2062%20775%2099%2002 | +41 62 775 9902 ] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OmniOS-discuss mailing list >>>> [ mailto:OmniOS-discuss@lists.omniti.com | OmniOS-discuss@lists.omniti.com >>>> ] >>>> [ http://lists.omniti.com/mailman/listinfo/omnios-discuss | >>>> http://lists.omniti.com/mailman/listinfo/omnios-discuss ] >>> -- >>> --- >>> Praise the Caffeine embeddings > -- > --- > Praise the Caffeine embeddings -- Tobi Oetiker, OETIKER+PARTNER AG, Aarweg 15 CH-4600 Olten, Switzerland www.oetiker.ch t...@oetiker.ch +41 62 775 9902
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