OK, Rob, I now understand your point. I will do as you request.
However, it seems to me that by making this request you are creating an
interesting catch-22: I far as I can see there are two facets to this
invitation.
* *Sufficiency*. These forums are closed because this gives the
attendees freedom to discuss matters (such as individual poster
behaviour) that shouldn't be discussed on a public forum. We only
invite "trusted" forum members to join these lists. (That's is
that they've demonstrated that they are responsible and have built
up a body of "karma" with their forum contributions.) I would
have thought that being elected a committer could reasonably be
deemed to be sufficient to show such trust.
* *Necessity*. You seem to want to discuss policy on the governance
of the forums from within this DL or ooo-private. I also recall
some of your previous comments which indicate that these people
(who have committed hundreds if not thousands of hours to
supporting this service) do not merit committer status unless they
have a wider engagement in the project, and they are therefore
excluded from any ooo-private discussions. Yet, it seems to me
that it is entirely reasonable that anyone contributing to this
discussion should at least have a working knowledge of how the
forums operate in practice and currently govern themselves. So I
do think it necessary as well.
Hence in my view, this invitation makes eminent sense. Is your counter
proposal that only committers who are entirely ignorant of how the
forums work should decided on their future governance and existence? I
feel that most Europeans would regard this as a typical American
attitude to the rest of the world ;)
Regards
Terry
On 01/09/11 19:05, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Terry Ellison<te...@ellisons.org.uk> wrote:
Rob,
This was a polite invitation to committers if they wanted to see how the
forums operate. I will take your -1 to mean that you don't want to take me
up on the offer.
Let me be clearer then. The -1 is to your proposal to invite
committers and assign them permissions to a private forum. This is
not a technical objection, but a policy objection. Please do not take
further steps on this until we can get a Mentor to weigh in on.
Thanks,
-Rob
Your reply is a valid topic but entirely off *this* topic. Unfortunately
since this is a DL and not a forum, I can't move this to new topic which
relates to your point. However, if you care to make this on another thread
on the topic you discuss, then I will reply there.
Can we try to maintain some thread discipline, please?
Regards
Terry
On 01/09/11 17:59, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Terry Ellison<te...@ellisons.org.uk>
wrote:
Anyone is able to join the OOo Community forums, but we also have a
number
of closed forums use for internal management of the site. If any
committers
would like to have access to these, then just make sure that they've got
an
active account on the current production service (not
ooo-forums.apache.org)
and email me me from it requesting access. I will then raise you to
"volunteer" so that you can see the main closed forums.
-1
I propose that we eliminate any such "internal management" forums...<snip>
