On 06/09/2011 22:34, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, drew wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 15:25 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
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Thanks.
So would something like this work:
Site admins must be PPMC members, appointed by PPMC, with actual site
admin assignment made by Infra. In other words, only Infra has the
skeleton key.
Yes I think everyone saw that as a given.
Forum admins must be also be PPMC members, appointed by PPMC.
Would change to:
Forum admins must be PPMC members and approved by the PPMC.
The
actual rights assignment could be done by a site admin, not involving
Infra?
I think you mean the assignment is done by an existing forum admin,
therefore not requiring Inra intervention - yes? and yes. :)
Moderators/Volunteers selected by the forum participants:
1) According to written rules which are publicly posted and approved by the PPMC
No problem with that.
2) Rules shall allow any PPMC member or Mentor to become a moderator
or admin on request
I would not agree to that - any PPMC member wanting to come do the work
of answering questions, over a period of time, is free to do so just as
anyone else is free to do.
I think a rule of the Foundation is that all Members can have access to
whatever Apache resource they desire.
You'll have to accept Apache Members.
Consider the slight possibility that a PPMC member who gets involved behaves
badly and disrespectfully in the forum management. There is recourse -
ooo-private. Any PPMC member has responsibility to the project and the ASF.
Assuming that this proposal passes the Site and Forum Admins will be PPMC
members and have such recourse available.
You ought to allow any PPMC member to perform any oversight they deem necessary
within the rules and culture of the admins. It is a responsibility of a (P)PMC
to perform oversight. Any of us should be able to check on others.
Regards,
Dave
That sounds more or less fine to me. I'd just add that you can't just
turn up and become a Committer. Same sort of thing in my mind should
apply with the Forum and moderation. you can't just turn up. you have to
enrol and then participate for a while, and then be voted on. Same sort
of principle. That doesn't preclude anyone from having visibility to
anything meanwhile, which is the 'resource' we're talking about here.
In the case of a non PPMC member if that person then desires to take on
responsibilities there is a clear way to do that - first become a
volunteer, see how the sausage is made, still want to do this and you
want to be a 'standard' moderator no problem. If they want to take on
more responsibility then they need to do a few other things,
specifically to execute all the steps necessary to be accepted into the
PPMC, and get approval from the PPMC. In the case of a PPMC member they
simply then have to do that last step.
This is not about declaring some lingering ownership rights, this a
simple case of giving a little respect to the folks actually doing the
work - I don't think this goes against anything I've read about 'the
apache way'.
- of course that works as long as the site is functioning regularly -
but if say the whole crew up and leaves or the couple of admins all die
in a plane crash on the way to, oh I don't know, maybe the:
Ohio Linux Festival - this coming weekend, Columbus Ohio :)
then of course the PPMC can and would just appoint new people a needed.
3) Changes to such rules require approval by the PPMC
Agreed.
4) No PPMC approval required for new modertors/volunteers
Agreed
5) But no moderator has ban rights unless also a PPMC member
Agreed
That avoids any PPMC review except for new Admins, and for the
Admin/Moderator rules which your draft yourselves among the forum
volunteers
How does that sound?
//drew
