On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > So, shall it simply be concluded that the proposal in its current form has > been accepted without objection? >
I could not read about any objections which have not been resolved so far. If you ask me, it is time for binding votes on the forum and on ooo-dev list. Cheers Christian > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 17:57 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org> wrote: >> The stated [DISCUSS] expiration of midnight, today, 2011-10-17T24:00Z has >> arrived. >> >> The discussion has quieted and there appears to be no objection to >> conducting a [VOTE] ratifying the PPMC acceptance of the proposal, with the >> modest adjustments that were made. >> >> On a different thread, it was observed that, since there is no further >> discussion, and there was no opposition, the proposal should be considered >> ratified, a sort of lazy consensus: >> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201110.mbox/%3cCAP-ksogkFzGgLB0ALY=vjap7q3d2pefucc-v1m3+rpoxuo7...@mail.gmail.com%3e>. >> >> I want to be clear, that this [DISCUSS] was not for voting but to review the >> proposal in preparation for voting. Although it might be assumed that there >> is no objection to the proposal's adoption by the PPMC, that was not the >> question. >> >> I am also concerned that the OpenOffice.org Forum operators are being denied >> an important ceremonial act on our part. >> >> Since it would take as long to introduce a lazy consensus, now, as to >> actually conduct the [VOTE], I intend to go ahead with the [VOTE] once I >> come up with an appropriate wording and message. Then it will all be clear, >> won't it? >> > > Actually, I object to the ceremony of a poorly motivated vote.. There > were no objections to the proposal. The forum volunteers should go > ahead and implement the proposal. > > Your use of the term "ratify" is meaningless since there is no such > thing at Apache. Your introductory note also talked about "the > commitment of the Apache OO.o Podling to implementation of the > proposal...". This is also meaningless. I commit to nothing. Those > who volunteer to do the work are the ones who do the work. The > proposal didn't ask the PPMC to do anything. > > -Rob > > >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 00:09 >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement >> >> 2011/10/13 Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@googlemail.com>: >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >>> <orc...@apache.org>wrote: >> >>> Wondering why the discussion is on the wiki as comments? >>> >>> Juergen >> >> There was discussion on this list, onn the forum, on the wiki and then >> back on the forum. These wiki comments are meanwhile outdated, you can >> basically ignore them, except you have an "historical interest". But >> then you should also read the forums. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Once discussion of the Draft Proposal has quieted by that time or later, >>>> discussion can stop. If it is then evident that a ratifying ballot on >>>> acceptance of the Draft Proposal by the Apache OO.o Podling can be held, a >>>> separate [VOTE] will be initiated on the ooo-dev list for that purpose. >>>> Ratification of the Draft Proposal will establish the commitment of the >>>> Apache >>>> OO.o Podling to implementation of the proposal and honoring its provisions >>>> for >>>> governance of the OpenOffice.org Forums as part of the Apache OO.o Podling. >>>> >>>> GUIDELINES >>>> >>>> The Draft Proposal represents the current thinking of the OpenOffice.org >>>> Forums operators. PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THE DRAFT PROPOSAL page. >>>> >>>> Instead, discuss suggestions and modifications on this list and await any >>>> changes to be made as the OpenOffice.org Forum operators choose to offer >>>> improvements in response to the discussion, including based on ooo-dev >>>> suggestions of their own. >>>> >>>> When it is concluded that the Draft Proposal is in a final condition >>>> suitable >>>> for ratification, the OpenOffice.org Forum operators will notify us of >>>> their >>>> readiness (repeatedly if there is still ongoing discussion and >>>> improvement). >>>> >>>> - Dennis >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> > > -- http://www.grobmeier.de
