On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<[email protected]> wrote:
> [ODFAuthors subscriber hat on]
>
> My understanding of the current state of LEGAL-96, 
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-96> is that a concrete case is 
> required.  I don't see one here unless the Apache OpenOffice project proposes 
> to change the terms of use for the Wiki to say that all new contributions 
> must be under category-A licenses.
>

Actually, so there is no uncertainty, that is exactly my proposal,
that all new contributions to the wiki are under Apache 2.0 license.

However, no objections to linking to non-ALv2 content hosted on other websites

-Rob


> If that is the offer (in which case CC-BY, but neither CC-BY-SA nor 
> CC-NC-anything, would be acceptable with care), the specific conditions that 
> will be satisfied along with use of CC-BY can be run by legal-discuss@ 
> apache.org by addition to LEGAL-96 or whatever.
>
>  1. One condition could be that the attribution requirement be detailed on 
> the inside cover along with the applicable notices (Copyright, CC-BY, etc.).  
> As is noticed in LEGAL-96, authors rarely satisfy that aspect of CC-xx.  
> [There should always be an unambiguous way to contact the authors -- 
> copyright holders -- because, as the CC-BY deed states, one can always 
> request a license under different terms.]
>
>  2. The second condition could be to usefully point out, in the inside cover 
> (or its equivalent) that there are additional requirements if the document 
> happened to be delivered by technological means that did not allow the 
> recipient to possess or modify a copy.  (Essentially, such delivery must make 
> it known how to obtain a technology-unencumbered copy.)  This is the only 
> edge case that concerns some.  ASF wouldn't be doing that, but ASF wants 
> downstream consumers to know when there are special conditions and not assume 
> there are none.
>
> These conditions, by the way, are valuable to specify in any CC-xx document, 
> whether or not acceptable for posting on an ASF site or including in an ASF 
> release.  [Note: An attribution requirement is very BSD-like and may or may 
> not make the same front matter acceptable in a high-church-copyleft regime, 
> even though the modern BSD itself is tolerated.  However, editions prepared 
> for other communities don't have to be under the same license.  Then 
> satisfying (1) is by a recommendation, not a license condition.]
>
>  3. Overnight, it occurred to me that now there is also a need for ODFAuthors 
> to ensure appropriate use of the ASF-owned trademarks, including the 
> OpenOffice.org name and the gull symbol.  I doubt that there is an issue, but 
> the document will need to provide recognition that trademarked terms are 
> being used.  (That inside-cover page is not full yet, but don't despair.)  
> This generally does not require special permission, although one could go 
> through the ceremony.  It is important that there be only nominative use with 
> no confusion of the document as endorsed by or produced by the ASF. (I assume 
> ODFAuthors are completely happy to have that be clear.)  See 
> <http://apache.org/foundation/marks/>.  Note: The list of Apache Marks is 
> out-of-date.  Have no doubt, the name OpenOffice.org and related symbols are 
> now Apache trademarks.
>
>  - Dennis
>   [still auditioning to play a lawyer on cable]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: odfauthors-discuss-bounces+dennis.hamilton=acm....@lists.odfauthors.org 
> [mailto:odfauthors-discuss-bounces+dennis.hamilton=acm....@lists.odfauthors.org]
>  On Behalf Of Rob Weir
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 05:41
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: ODFAuthors; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [odfauthors-discuss] Chapter 1 of the Base Guide ready for 
> publication
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:
>>  1. The wiki has moved under ASF hosting, of course.  All of the previous 
>> content is still there.  See, e.g.,  
>> <http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_User_Guide_Chapters>.
>>
>>  2. At the bottom of that page, however, is the new Wiki:Copyright Links. It 
>> is to this page: 
>> <http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:Copyrights>.  
>> I am not sure how this works relative to pages that have an existing license 
>> statement for the page, but this seems to be relevant to your question: "In 
>> posting a new contribution, you are licensing that contribution under the 
>> Apache License, Version 2.0 (ALv2)."
>>
>>  3. I am cross-posting this message to ooo-dev, since that is apparently 
>> where this approach was arrived at.  Perhaps there is an accommodation that 
>> allows Documentation | CC-BY License (not CC-BY-SA or CC-NC-SA) to still 
>> qualify. I would not assume that without obtaining some sort of explicit 
>> agreement.
>>
>
> Maybe start by driving this JIRA issue to closure:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-96
>
> There were some questions on whether we could stream CC-BY 3.0 as category-a.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 
>> odfauthors-discuss-bounces+dennis.hamilton=acm....@lists.odfauthors.org 
>> [mailto:odfauthors-discuss-bounces+dennis.hamilton=acm....@lists.odfauthors.org]
>>  On Behalf Of Jean Weber
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 22:12
>> To: ODFAuthors
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [odfauthors-discuss] Chapter 1 of the Base Guide ready for 
>> publication
>>
>> That's fabulous news, Dan, and it's an excellent start to the book.
>> I'll have a quick flip through the chapter and then put it on the OOo
>> wiki... though at this point I'm not sure what's going to happen with
>> all the ODFAuthors items on the OOo wiki. I haven't been paying close
>> enough attention to know whether a decision has been made about
>> whether they can stay there in the Apache OOo incarnation of the wiki.
>> Regardless of that detail -- the books will remain available, and the
>> Base Guide will be available as it is published.
>>
>> Perhaps TJ or Dennis or someone more actively involved at AOOo knows...
>>
>> --Jean
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:50, Dan Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>     Today, I have uploaded 0801BG33-IntroducingBase to the Publish
>>> folder. It should be ready for publication and movement to the wiki.
>>>     Before doing so, I meticulously compared it with the latest version
>>> written for LO. This includes pictures and wording. Paragraph styles
>>> were checked for correctness. The section that applies only to OOo was
>>> reviewed for possible errors. It only took me all day.
>>>     Chapter 1 should be complete for LO and OOo. Now to chapter 2.
>>>
>>> --Dan
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