Please cancel all emails to me. Tkanks On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 4:15 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, drew jensen <drewjensen.in...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 09:19 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > > > > On 03/30/2012 06:20 AM, drew jensen wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 08:03 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Rob Weir<robw...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> What is the latest thinking on the AOO logos? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> There is some great material on the wiki: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Application+Branding > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOOLogo+proposal > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Logo+Proposals > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Drew did a lot of initial work here. But it is not clear to me > > > >>>> whether we have a final recommendation, whether the work is > ongoing, > > > >>>> etc. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If we have a design that is considered the one to go with, could > > > >>>> someone propose it as the official logo, so we can see if there > are > > > >>>> any objections? It would be good to get some closure on this. > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> yes, I know...I am rather late to this party. > > > >>> > > > >>> I would be happy to make a proposal to adopt the first banner on > > > >>> > > > >>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Logo+Proposals > > > >>> > > > >>> as the "official" web logo, and actually make this change, but... > > > >>> > > > >>> where are we with the "incubating" business. Would we have this in > > addition > > > >>> to the current "incubating" logo which we currently have or ??? > > > >>> > > > >>> I probably have missed other discussions about the "incubating" > > topic. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> The incubation requirement is that we have "(incubating)" on the > > *page* > > > >> along with the podling disclaimer. We're not required to have > > > >> "(incubating)" in the logo. In fact, some of us have recommended > > that we > > > >> do not put "(incubating)" in the logo. If we can have a "clean" > logo > > > >> without that, then we can use the same logo after we graduate. > > > > > > > > well, all the artwork I've submitted and I've said this before, is > > setup > > > > up with layers - just open it, hide or remove the layer named > > > > 'incubating' and it's gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>>> Also, I'll feel a little artistic this week, after doing that > > timeline > > > >>>> ;-). So next I'd like to then take the logo design, and create > two > > > >>>> variations that we can use to inform users about the 3.4 release. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -- a "coming soon" webpage/blog logo that project supporters may > put > > > >>>> on their websites. It would be linked to a page that we would > host, > > > >>>> with FAQ's on AOO 3.4, including information on signing up for the > > > >>>> ooo-announce list, etc. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - a "get AOO" logo, also for supports to use on their own > websites. > > > >>>> It would be linked to our download webpage on openoffice.org. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The nice thing about this approach (which is used by many other > > > >>>> projects) is we do not need to give blanket permission for anyone > to > > > >>>> use our main logo for any purpose. And we don't need to have them > > ask > > > >>>> permission for using our logo for these specific purposes. We > > provide > > > >>>> a special purpose logo to be used for these common things. > > > > > > Well I would be happy to do an actual PROPOSAL with Lazy Consensus from > > > among the following 3 logos on: > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Logo+Proposals > > > > > > * the first logo under the heading > > > 1.1 Proposed banner logo for the main web site > > > > > > * or either of the orb-centric proposals > > > 2.1 Orb Centric Proposal Logo #1, > > > 2.2 Orb Centric Proposal Logo #2 > > > > > > > Howdy Kay, et al > > > > I really think the idea of a community, less restrictive, image makes > > sense. Looking at what is there then I'd vote for > > > > 1.1 to base the official on, and use that specific image for the > > website. While still in incubating status we can just keep the ASF > > Incubating graphic in the upper right hand corner, after graduation just > > drop it. > > > > 2.1 to base the community logo on and the specific image as the first > > entry on a wiki page and htmel snippet, ready for media and supporter > > use. > > > > So for the moment then it is a proposal to use the feather for > > in-project, or with permission, work and no feather for the less formal > > usage - does that sound right? > > > > > > What do you mean by "less formal usage"? Do you mean use on the project > blog, the support forums, etc., e.g., in a PMC-directed way? If so this > might be fine. But if you mean that we allow it to be freely used outside > of the project, then I think 2.1 is much too similar to the official logo, > > Ask yourself, would it confuse the public if the logo showed up in an eBay > action next to a sale of OpenOffice CD's? Would it confuse the user if it > shows up on an external page claiming to raise funds? Would it suggest > affiliation with the project if it showed up on a 3rd part consultant's > webpage? > > I'm all in favor of a community logo that can be used more broadly, but it > I think it needs to be more than subtly different than the official logo. > I think your "download" and "get it here" logos are good examples. We > could allow anyone to use these logos in any context, provided it links > back to download.openoffice.org or www.openoffice.org. We could also > allow > it to be translated (the "download" and "get it here" strings) and link to > NL pages like de.openoffice.org. > > > > From the 1.1 base then we would need a set of images for use over the > > next number of months, such a set was in .bz2 file attached to to my > > first proposal on the wiki. It looks like I should create the same set > > again based on 1.1 - will get to it and add a new archive file to the > > wiki. > > > > @Kevin, Graham, everyone :) - would welcome any thoughts on what basic > > set of images are needed. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > //drew > > > > > > > > > > > Rob, given your explanation, I'm assuming we would keep the > > > "(incubating)" wording next to the logo as we have now. > > > > > > Re your other comments...the "Coming soon" logo does sound like a > > > nice/worthwhile idea. Something we can work on soonish... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -Rob > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>> MzK > > > >>> > > > >>> "Women and cats will do as they please, > > > >>> and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." > > > >>> > > -- > > > >>> Robert Heinlein > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > MzK > > > > > > "Women and cats will do as they please, > > > and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." > > > -- Robert Heinlein > > > > > > >
