On 19/06/12 21:26, Ross Gardler wrote:
Top posting as I'm not commenting on the text itself. I'd like to request
that this document clarifies the purpose of the private list - we don't
want to give the impression that the project conducts essential business
on the private list.
(My new text amendments are at the bottom.)
That would make sense - but these are guidelines for all AOO mailing
lists, aren't they?
This isn't specific to the ooo-private?
Dave.
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Jun 16, 2012 4:26 PM, "Wolf Halton"<wolf.hal...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a draft with the additions from the group, for a lazy consensus.
I am envisioning that the final draft can be added to the sign-in progress
for the various mailing-lists and also as a link to the project
mailing-list page.
I have not included any pieces about what happens to an individual who does
not abide by the general group agreements, as that has not been discussed
here yet.
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List Conduct Policy
1.
What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas:
Anything you read in the private list is by default a private PPMC
affair and not to be spoken of, or copied to other people who are not in
the PPMC. If you think about it, most topic threads probably should be
in
the public lists, except choosing committers and PPMC members, and a very
few others.
In fact, all email lists or email conversations have this aspect of
privacy. Even if there are 23000 subscribers on the list, it is assumed
that privacy will be maintained and a list member's name and location
will
not be published in a newspaper or some other public venue where personal
privacy is not expected.
2.
Be Nice:
Not only are there lots of people on this list whose first language is
not English, there are busy hurried readers. If other list members are
telling you they do not understand what you wrote, or take your innocent
phasing in a poor light, take it as a signal that your writing style is
too
idiomatic or too technical (unlikely but possible) for others to follow
easily. This does not necessarily mean you are mean, wrong and bad, so
just be nice and reword the passage. Assume people are not in "attack
mode." We are all on the same team here.
3.
Don't Respond When You are Angry:
Presuming people are not in attack mode means, if you think they are,
just now, then probably you are just misunderstanding their point. Ad
hominem attacks, e.g., "You are too dumb to get this," are a sign that
you
yourself may not have a good-enough handle on the issue to explain your
point clearly.
4.
Relax:
Always remember, that unless there is a *darn* good reason, nothing gets
decided at the ASF in less than 72 elapsed hours, so your reply can wait
until morning. You might even get lucky, and when you check back
somebody
else will have posted either what you wanted to say, or something close
enough that you can work with it.
Remember that the members of a community mailing list will get to the
list when they can. Most of us do this in our spare time, and in
different
time zones. Perhaps the rule of thumb could be to respond no more than
once
per hour, or once per day, to any given thread. The highest frequency of
responses does not necessarily “Win” in a community of equals. The most
concise and useful post tends to win, if furthering the dialog and
advancing the community's goals is what we are after..
5.
Get to the Point:
Write as tersely as possible, and edit down as much possible, so other
people who are just as busy as you may quickly get your point without
ending up defensive.
6.
Consider trimming the post to which you are responding:
People who read emails on small screens are not the only ones who are
frustrated by picking important new information out of tons of stuff they
have already read. To trim a post, one simply remove any parts of the
post
to which one is replying that are not important to understand ones reply.
If the response to one of these posts is, “What? I do not understand,”
then
it may be that too much of the context may have been removed.
7.
There are Going to be Exceptions to the Rule:
All of these guidelines are subject to sanity-testing.
A person posting child porn on this list will be reported to the
appropriate authorities and will not be able to complain that their list
privacy has been violated.
Ramping up to a release, there are a lot of postings at high frequency.
Sometimes it takes a long post to say what needs to be said.
More Useful Stuff:
Apache Tips for Email Contributors –
<http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips.html>
http://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips.html
Apache OpenOffice Mailing Lists –
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html<
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html>
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I've made slight re-wordings through-out, and added in a new section 7,
and made the old section 7 section 8.
List Conduct Policy
1.
What Happens on the list, stays on the list:
Anything you read in the private list is by default a private PPMC
affair and not to be spoken of, or copied to, other people who are not in
the PPMC. If you think about it, most topic threads probably should
be in
the public lists, except choosing committers and PPMC members, and a very
few other topics.
In fact, all email lists or email conversations have this aspect of
privacy. Even if there are 23000 subscribers on the list, it is assumed
that privacy will be maintained and a list member's name and location
will
not be disclosed in some public venue where personal privacy is not
expected,
such as published in a newspaper or some other.
2.
Be Nice:
Not only are there lots of people on this list whose first language is
not English, there are busy readers, who by neccesity have to read
things
quickly. If other list members are telling you they do not
understand what
you wrote, or take your innocent phrasing in a poor light, take it as
a signal
that your writing style is too idiomatic or too technical (unlikely
but possible)
for others to follow easily. This does not necessarily mean you are
mean, wrong
or bad, so just be nice and rewrite the passage using different
words. Assume
people are not in "attack mode". We are all on the same team here.
3.
Don't Respond When You are Angry:
Assuming people are not in attack mode means, if you think they are,
just now, then probably you are just misunderstanding their point. Ad
hominem attacks, e.g., "You are too dumb to get this," are a sign that
you yourself may not have a good-enough handle on the issue to
explain your
point clearly.
4.
Relax:
Always remember, that unless there is a *darn* good reason, nothing gets
decided at the ASF in less than 72 elapsed hours, so your reply can wait
until morning. You might even get lucky, and when you check back somebody
else will have posted either what you wanted to say, or something close
enough that you can accept that their post covered what you wanted to
say.
Remember that the members of a community mailing list will get to the
list when they can. Most of us do this in our spare time, and in
different time zones. Perhaps the rule of thumb could be to respond
no more than
once per hour, or once per day, to any given thread. The highest
frequency of
responses does not necessarily “Win” in a community of equals. The most
concise and useful post tends to win, because furthering the dialog and
advancing the community's goals is what we desire.
5.
Get to the Point:
Write as tersely as possible, and edit down as much possible, so other
people who are just as busy as you may quickly get your point without
ending up defensive, but balance is needed. Do not let brevity get in
the way of providing enough information. Remember that people must
understand your post in order to understand your point.
6.
Consider trimming the post to which you are responding:
People who read emails on small screens are not the only ones who are
frustrated by picking important new information out of tons of stuff they
have already read. To trim a post, one simply remove any parts of the
post
to which one is replying that are not important to understand one's
reply.
If the response to one of these posts is, “What? I do not
understand,” then
it may be that too much of the context may have been removed.
7.
Respect one another:
Discussion is the cornerstone of a project like this and the sharing of
viewpoints is crucial, as is understanding and accepting that many views
will differ from your own. By all means debate rigorously and defend your
view point stoutly, but avoid abrasive dialogue and personal attacks.
Give
leeway to people who do not have English as a first language. Pause
before
taking insult, and pause before responding. There is a difference
between
robust discussion and steamrollering. Civility is paramount. Manners
cost
nothing; we are all capable of self-moderation, and of being aware of
our
conduct.
8.
There are going to be exceptions to the rules:
All of these guidelines are subject to sanity-testing.
A person posting child porn (say) on this list will be reported to the
appropriate authorities and will not be able to complain that their list
privacy has been violated.
When we're ramping up to a release, there are always a lot of
postings at
high frequency. That's normal.
Sometimes it takes a long post to say what needs to be said.
Dave.
