Quoting Lori Bowen Ayre <lori.a...@galecia.com>:

Jason,

Isn't that basically the same problem with SIP2?  Also problematic there.

SIP2 isn't a standard in the same sense. It's not supported by any national or international standards body. 3M just said, "Here, this is what we do. Use it if you want/dare."

NCIP was designed by a committee and it shows. Kind of how a camel is an elephant designed by a committee, or is that the other way around?

Same thing applies to Z39.50, by the way.

Internet RFCs tend not to have these interoperability problems, because they tend to have a limited number of authors who focus mainly on the technical questions. Yes, there are RFCs that don't work, but they are the exceptions rather than the rule. I had something like this process in mind.

"The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from." Variously attributed.

My corollary: "The wonderful thing about any given standard is that there are so many ways to interpret it."





On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Jason Stephenson <jstephen...@mvlc.org>wrote:

Quoting Lori Bowen Ayre <lori.a...@galecia.com>:

 Is anyone out there working on developing NCIP support for Evergreen or
Koha?  Is it queued up in the roadmap?


The Univesity of E. Oregon is having NCIP (most likely version 1)
implemented for Evergreen via the XCNCIPToolkit so that they can use it with
some OCLC product or another. I don't expect this will be generically
useful.

My understanding is that they have hired a local developer to do it.

Personally, I think both revisions of Z39.83 should be ditched and
something simpler and completely vendor neutral should be developed in its
place. It is utterly stupid that Z39.83 allows different implementations
conform to the standard and yet be utterly unable to communicate with each
other.

Jason Stephenson
MVLC



Lori

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From: Karen Wetzel <kwet...@niso.org>
Date: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:04 AM
Subject: NISO Press Release: NISO Announces Availability of NCIP
Implementer
Registry (11/10/10)
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*NISO Announces Availability of NCIP Implementer Registry*
*Site brings together information about vendors’ implementations of NCIP*

*Baltimore, MD - November 10, 2010 -* NISO is pleased to announce the
availability of the NCIP Implementer Registry, a site that allows vendors
to
share information about their implementations of the NISO Circulation
Interchange Protocol (ANSI/NISO Z39.83, Parts 1 and 2). NCIP addresses the
need for interoperability among disparate circulation, interlibrary loan,
and related applications by standardizing the exchange of messages between
and among computer-based applications.

At this time, the following vendors have indicated their use of NCIP by
signing up for the registry: Auto-Graphics, Ex Libris, Innovative
Interfaces, Inc., and Rapid Radio. The registry is linked from the NCIP
website (www.niso.org/workrooms/ncip) and from the NCIP maintenance
agency
site (www.ncip.info).

The registry allows vendors to enter information about their
implementations
of Version 1 of the standard, now deprecated but still widely used, and
Version 2 of the standard, the current version of the standard adopted in
2008. Vendors may participate in the standard as an initiator of messages,
a
responder to messages, or both.

By making this information publicly available, libraries will be able to
see
which vendors currently support NCIP, which version(s) of the standard are
supported, and which messages in the standard are supported. In 2010 the
NCIP Standing Committee defined two sets of core messages for
accomplishing
essential tasks: the Resource Sharing and the Self-Service. All required
messages must be enabled for a vendor to claim support for a core message
set. Depending on the role the vendor is playing in the transaction, the
vendor must either support the messages as an initiator or responder.

NCIP Standing Committee member Susan Campbell (Research & Development
Consultant, College Center for Library Automation), who, with Mary Jackson
(Product Manager, Resource Sharing, Auto-Graphics) developed the
Drupal-based registry for the committee, noted, “The new registry builds
on
years of work on NCIP. It is a key next step to help libraries better
understand which vendors provide NCIP, which NCIP messages are supported,
and how those might in turn support what the library needs in order to
more
efficiently provide resource sharing or self-service services to their
users. I am pleased to make this registry available and look forward to
seeing its growth.”

Rob Walsh, President of EnvisionWare, the Maintenance Agency for NCIP, as
well as co-chair for NISO’s Discovery to Delivery Topic Committee, which
provides oversight to the NCIP Standing Committee, added, “This is a
wonderful step forward for NCIP. The registry is just one of the tools
that
the Standing Committee has been working on to support NCIP implementers
and
users. By making this information more broadly available, the community
will
be able to make better informed decisions to help meet their customers’
and
patrons’ needs.”

The NCIP Standing Committee is working to develop additional user tools.
For
more information, visit the NCIP website at www.niso.org/workrooms/ncipor
the NCIP maintenance agency home at www.ncip.info.

*About NISO*
NISO, based in Baltimore, Md., fosters the development and maintenance of
standards that facilitate the creation, persistent management, and
effective
interchange of information so that it can be trusted for use in research
and
learning. To fulfill this mission, NISO engages libraries, publishers,
information aggregators, and other organizations that support learning,
research, and scholarship through the creation, organization, management,
and curation of knowledge. NISO works with intersecting communities of
interest and across the entire lifecycle of an information standard. NISO
is
a not-for-profit association accredited by the American National Standards
Institute (ANSI).

*For More Information, Contact:*
Victoria Kinnear
NISO Business Development and Operations Manager
Phone: 301-654-2512
vkinn...@niso.org

Karen Wetzel
NISO Standards Program Manager
kwet...@niso.org

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National Information Standards Organization (NISO)
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