On Jul 29, 2005, at 12:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Horst Birthelmer wrote:

Noora Peura did her masters thesis on that topic. (It was actually for arla, but I guess it could help anyway)
Maybe your student already knows her work ... ;-)

The report is at:
http://www.stacken.kth.se/~noora/exjobb/files.html


interesting. what i'd like to see is just read-one/write-all used in conjunction with the existing ro-clones. the problem with ro- clones is that you can't be constantly releasing the rw volume to the ro volumes on every write. if you batch up writes you expose yourself to losing data which has been written due to failure of a single fileserver. to provide acceptable (for my applications) data integrity, just write-all to 2 or 3 fileservers and on failure of any one of them, use one which didn't have the write fail and replicate it to the ro-clones. then create a new r/w bucket and keep going.


That won't work. You talked about integrity. That's exactly the key word here.

What should happen if one of the fileservers comes back with an old version of every file in the volume? What should happen if a client wrote to a fileserver and that one fails? (when we still have a connection to that server and no replication...) How are your replicated volumes reacting to that?

Those are just a few very simple scenarios that came to my mind without really thinking much about it.

It's a lot _more_ complicated than that and I'm not talking about the changes to the protocol and the servers which aren't compatible any more so that we can't use servers and clients from different versions.

for an append-only service writing into volumes the ro-clones are the right model to store the data long-term -- but while the volume is r/w it needs to still be more available than a single fileserver.

The guys who did the design of AFS where neither stupid nor naive. They knew what hell it would be to do replication any other way it was done ;-)

Horst
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