On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Noel O'Boyle <baoille...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22 June 2010 03:31, Craig A. James <cja...@emolecules.com> wrote:
>> On 6/21/10 6:32 PM, Tim Vandermeersch wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Geoffrey Hutchison
>>> <ge...@geoffhutchison.net>  wrote:
>>>>> The changes are in svn trunk. The current test set (aromatics.smi,
>>>>> attype.00.smi&  nci.smi) is not good though.
>>>>
>>>> By that, I assume you mean that the current test set is not sufficient for 
>>>> SSSR vs. LSSR? I can probably generate a *MUCH* larger test set if that's 
>>>> what you need.
>>>
>>> There are not enough cases where the SSSR is not canonical. I already
>>> added some (tetrahedron, cube, octahedron, fullerene 20&  60). While
>>> the SSSR doesn't fail the canonical test for bridged rings, having 3
>>> rings in the LSSR (2 in SSSR) gives more intuitive results for
>>> substructure search.
>>
>> An interesting way to test various things is with the SMILES 
>> "anti-canonical" option, -xC.  It's amazing how many algorithms can have 
>> hidden atom-order dependencies.  Unfortunately, it's hard to make test cases 
>> using -xC directly because the results are deliberately quasi-random.
>>
>> Craig
>
> Just a quick note, RDKit and OEChem both have something to say on the
> subject of SSSR. See for example links and discussion at
> http://ctr.wikia.com/wiki/Ring_counts_in_a_SMILES_file.

Our approach is similar to RDKit. When I have time, I'll check how
Greg handles this.

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