Alan,

As a causal observer, I appears your're being especially hard on people that 
donate their time and don't get any renumeration for their efforts. Maybe I 
missed the intended humor in your response, but it did appear rather snarky. 
This is not an attack, but merely an observation.

Anywho, the question from today was asked on a Friday in July. Based on 
personal experience, it's not the best day to expect an immediate reply back 
which is compounded by the summer and possible vacations. Most want to end the 
work week with a little time off. I don't know how the Open BD committee works 
since I'm only an observer / lurker on the list, but it would be fair to assume 
most don't spend their Friday nights doing open source (I would like to think 
we all have a chance to live life in a non-digital way weekly).

Also, things do get lost in the shuffle sometimes. Usually I don't have the 
time to go back into the archives and make sure every question was fully 
answered in regards to the OS projects I'm directly involved in. Plus, I do 
know that the main committers (Vince, Alan and Andy) do travel some so they may 
have not seen your question or just didn't have time to address it at the time 
plain forgot.

Have you filed any tickets? Is so, please can you point me to those issues in 
the tracker. If not, you might consider filing one with complete test code that 
illustrates the differences. The more detail you can provide - the better since 
there is always limited time.

Respectfully,
Peter J. Farrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Holden <[email protected]>

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:18:44 
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [OpenBD] Re: Web Service Return Type differences



Don;

Can you hear the crickets? Welcome to my world.

I've been popping up now and again with this issue since my OpenBD 
install in January. I feel like bumping those threads ad nauseum, but I 
don't want to pester these guys or seem like a whiner (they are great 
folks who are very smart and do wonderful work for little more than kudos).

Here are the group discussions in which I and perhaps others discuss the 
issue, with regards to web service incompatibility between BlueDragon 
and Adobe products like ColdFusion and Flex (which can't practically use 
a query when placed in an OpenBD web service).

http://groups.google.com/group/openbd/browse_thread/thread/adb8340a24fe6ea2/fdd152ff4cb2c7cd?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=This+%22tasks+me%22+(Kahn%2C+1982).#fdd152ff4cb2c7cd
http://groups.google.com/group/openbd/browse_thread/thread/adb8340a24fe6ea2/860f64e81339199c?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Webservice+Compatibility+CF+and+OpenBD#860f64e81339199c
http://groups.google.com/group/openbd/browse_thread/thread/dbc78dcd1b766720/be4518eec3c6cf5f?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=preparing+coldfusion+8+app+for+openbd#be4518eec3c6cf5f
http://groups.google.com/group/openbd/browse_thread/thread/80bd58eddcf9b847/91c5501583849ec2?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=comparrison+of+bluedragon#91c5501583849ec2

The closest thing I ever got to a response was a theory by Adam Haskell 
- that it was done this way for .NET people. Even as a theory, this 
seems to conflict directly with open reality, and deflate Matt's mantra 
that compatibility issues always have top priority in OpenBD. Another 
theory could be that ColdFusion web services represent a component that 
the core BD development group simply doesn't leverage a lot in their own 
work.

But the one thing I have noticed is that there's a strange silence on 
the subject, and that always feeds conspiracy theories (well, at least 
for me). I can picture a long black Adobe limousine pulling up outside 
the house of anyone who speaks or works towards an open source version 
of Adobe WSDL's. That mafia guy from The Simpson's gets out, breaks a 
few thumbs, says "Don't you even think of copying our web service 
framework", and drives off into the night. But that's a pretty wild 
thought, eh?

Anywhoo, I gotta go. Someone's at the door...

Alan K. Holden



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