Hey i had to go through both the posts multiple times to dissect the mix up here. Why are and how can we mix up a development platform (as openBD or Tomcat) with I/PaaS (such as Amazon, GoGrid) with SaaS (salesforce,zoho)?
We need all of that. What needs to be added is data portability. I don't like salesforce, i should be able move data to zoho.com or something like that. If that happens (which probably is not possible without working on transformation post the decision and some SLA fatality): No lock in on dev platform since openBD is open. No platform/infrastructure lock in because that is just plain platform. Regards, Nitish 2011/10/1 Alan Williamson (aw2.0 cloud experts) <[email protected]> > Interesting points here Baz. > > I personally think the likes of GAE, SalesForce, Azure, are _NOT_ the > future of cloud computing. This is vendor lockin at its worse. It does > not matter what SLA is in place, there is no SLA that will make up for lost > revenue and lost good will in the event of a failure. If you are at the > point of executing the SLA in an agreement then your business is already on > the dry ground in its last death flap. They are a placebo, something the > higher ups need to cross the i's and dot the t's. > > I do believe Amazon, Rackspace, GoGrid, Joyent etc are the future of cloud > computing. This is where we gain the portability, the flexibility and the > ability for competition. Once you have your enterprise on GAE/SalesForce, > you are forced to eat their charges, because the cost of redevelopment to > move will most like be too much. Where as moving between Amazon and > Rackspace is a piece of cake - something you don't have to let your > developers get involved with, you let your IT department make that call. > > As for Facebook - I am not aware they run on the public cloud (amazon > etc). I always understood they had their own data-centers. Twitter > utilizes Amazon S3, but they run their own servers from what i understand. > I know Facebook developers, have benefited from the cloud (Amazon and > Joyent) when developing their 3rd party apps/games. But the core Facebook > platform is on their own stuff. > > > http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/04/17/a-look-inside-facebooks-data-center/ > > Now as for renaming "OpenBD" ... don't joke ... that is something we've > kicked around a long time, as well as the notion of whether we really need > to be "CFML" anymore and evolve the language ourselves. We no longer race > to keep up with ACF because, we do as our community, you, want us to do. > > > > Baz wrote: > > Guys, PAAS is the future, there is no doubt about that. Right now companies > are wasting tons of money duplicating IT departments that run grossly > under-utilized hardware. This is not going to last. Companies that go cloud > will have a significant competitive advantage and win. I was just reading an > article about how Facebook would not have been possible a few years earlier > because the lack of cloud technology would have made their growth too costly > and painful. There was a time, less than a decade ago, when tech startups > would have to cut checks for half their seed money on the first day of > business to the likes of Oracle, SUN, BEA, EMC, et al, just to get up and > running. No more. > > This is a new game, and OpenBD is early out the gate. We survived the > toughest phase, and things will certainly and necessarily stabilize through > time. Especially now, Google is releasing an > SLA<http://code.google.com/appengine/sla.html> and > are starting to take things seriously. I'd start pushing even harder right > now - maybe even doing a big release to coincide with the SLA. It may even > be time to rename "regular" OpenBD to > Qwikster<http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/18/netflix-qwikster/>or something :) > > -- > official tag/function reference: http://openbd.org/manual/ > mailing list - http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en > -- -Nitish "Faith is a free Option" http://www.forcesofindia.com/profiles/np -- official tag/function reference: http://openbd.org/manual/ mailing list - http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en
