Another question is that how atomspace is different from chunking technique?Can we merge chunking with atoms concept??Is there any representation of featuers like chunk with dimension/value pairs?
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: 'Nil Geisweiller' via opencog <opencog@googlegroups.com> Date: 5/2/17 10:37 AM (GMT+05:00) To: opencog@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [opencog-dev] Pros and cons On 04/28/2017 06:49 PM, Linas Vepstas wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:34 AM, Nageen Naeem <nageen...@gmail.com > <mailto:nageen...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > is opencog knowledge representation language is able to learn things? > > > Yes, but that is a topic of current active research. There are three > ways to do this: > 1) use moses > 2) use the pattern miner > 3) use the language-learning subsystem. > 4) the neural net subsystem, Ralf is working on that, its a kind-of > generalization of the earlier "destin", and using tensorflow under the > covers. So far, it's been used to create facial expressions (for use in > humanoid robots) Reasoning can be used too , you could for instance query Implication <go-to-the-store> Variable "$X" via the backward chainer and it would fill the blanks with $X that directly and indirectly match. That is an inefficient form of learning, but still. Nil > > I'm currently am working on language learning and have vague plans to > port it over to the pattern miner, someday. I haven't looked at the > pattern miner yet, I'm guessing that it remains at a rather primitive, > low level, for now. > > Basically, moses is "mature" the other three are not, they're in very > active development. > > --linas > > On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:47:45 AM UTC+5, Daniel Gross wrote: > > Hi Linas, > > I guess i should further ask: > > What determines the expressiveness of OpenCogs representation, the > one that is bult-into its inference. > > thank you, > > Daniel > > On Thursday, 27 April 2017 05:27:45 UTC+3, linas wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Nageen Naeem > <nage...@gmail.com> wrote: > > how I can differentiate knowledge representation in OpenCog > and traditional knowledge representation techniques. > > > Opencog is really pretty traditional in its representation form. > There are whizzy bits: the ability to assign arbitrary > valuations to the KR (e.g. floating point probabilities). Maybe > I should say that opencog allows you to "design your own KR", > although it provides a reasonable one, based on the PLN books. > > There's a pile of tools not available in other KR systems, > including a sophisticate pattern matcher, a prototype pattern > miner, a learning subsystem, an NLP subsystem. Its an active > project, its open source, with these last two distinguishing it > from pretty much everything else. > > --linas > > > > On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 12:02:16 AM UTC+5, Nageen > Naeem wrote: > > basically, i want to compare knowledge representation > techniques, want to compare knowledge representation in > OpenCog and in clarion? any description, please. > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 11:54:11 PM UTC+5, linas > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Nageen Naeem > <nage...@gmail.com> wrote: > > OpenCog didn't shift to java from c++? > > > You are welcome to study https://github.com/opencog > for the source languages used. > > > Thanks for defining pros and cons if there is > any paper on comparison with other architecture > kindly recommend me. > > > Ben has written multiple books on the archtiecture > in general. The wiki describes particular choices. > > I am not aware of any other > (knowledge-representation) architectures that can do > what the atomspace can do. So I'm not sure what you > want to compare against. Triplestore? various > actionscripts? Prolog? > > --linas > > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 9:36:04 PM > UTC+5, Ben Goertzel wrote: > > OpenCog did not shift from Java to C++, it > was always C++ > > The advantage of Atomspace is that it allows > fine-grained semantic > representations of all forms of knowledge in > a common framework. The > disadvantage is, this makes things > complicated. The other advantage > is, this fine-grained representation makes > data amenable to multiple > AI algorithms, including ones that can work > together synergetically > > ben > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Nageen > Naeem <nage...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey, > > I'm searching for pros and cons for using >atomspace for knowledge > > representation but didn't get any full-fledged >answer related to it. what > > are the pros and cons of using atomspace and >why OpenCog shifted to java > > from c++ what are reasons behind it? > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are >subscribed to the Google Groups > > "opencog" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop >receiving emails from it, send an > > email to opencog+u...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to > ope...@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at >https://groups.google.com/group/opencog > <https://groups.google.com/group/opencog>. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > >https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/bd2cd2ad-b15c-4a2e-a962-328a3197c0d7%40googlegroups.com > ><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/bd2cd2ad-b15c-4a2e-a962-328a3197c0d7%40googlegroups.com>. > > > For more options, visit >https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "I am God! 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