About post-scarcity economy, uploads and such: the new book from Cory Doctorow, Walkaway, is pretty interesting! I didnt' finish it yet, but I'm enjoying a lot of stuff there.
On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Linas Vepstas <linasveps...@gmail.com> wrote: > You might enjoy the AGI mailing list. If you cast your net more widely, > there's the extropians, the trans-humanists, the life-extensionists, > certain classes of economists, and much much more. There are TED talks > about unemployment caused by AI/AGI. Ray Kurzweil has written half a dozen > books, there are others before him, and our very own Ben Geortzel just > published his sixth or seventh maybe a few months ago or so, this latest > one is non-technical, general readership. > > And of course, the original Star Trek series was set in a post-scarcity > economy. You would name whatever you wanted, and the replicator would just > create it, for nothing, for free. Earl Grey tea. The recent Star Trek > reboots completely lost sight of this utopia, and replaced it by pointless > stupid action-adventure. > > --linas > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:29 AM, William Taylor <wtaylorjr2...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> "So does everyone. Easy to say, hard to do. You can implement quick >> cheesy hacks in a few months or a few years. You can spend ten or 20 >> yeas after that, and still not get even close. Many, many many have >> tried, no one has been successful yet. Not even partly-successful." >> >> Heh, I have the rest of my life to work on this. I am still learning >> c++ python and opencog. >> >> Lots and lots of people talk about this. The only problem is that its >> actually really hard to do this, technically, politically, socially, >> economically, legally. >> >> I haven't heard anyone talking about this idea. My researching skills >> suck. Has anyone tried a recursive function that starts with an >> outside stimulus, coordinates and runs thousands of smaller >> experiential patterns in an effort to maximize a utility function? In >> other words the system would get a string from the outside world such >> as: System gets a request for a hamburger. It performs a >> transderivational search by running the object of a hamburger through >> all of the modalities and transforms such as aroma of hamburgers, >> shape and color of hamburgers, texture and resistant pressure of >> hamburgers and so forth. It then explores the relations of hamburgers >> like where to get them, how much they cost and etc. These give a model >> of the hamburger, the thought. I think a thought is a model of reality >> and it consists of internal and external sensory perceptions ordered >> in a specific way. Our brain has thousands of them. We constantly >> model things. The mind uses models to ask questions, declare >> statements, and issue commands. English language is a basic model of >> human thought and as such suggests there are three kinds of thoughts, >> declarations, questions and commands. A thinking "function" could be a >> recursive function that tests for an external sense or senses and >> builds a model by asking questions, making declarations, or issuing >> orders. It can receive a language input asking it to create a love >> story. It does a transderivational search for love stories and models >> a love story, distorts the results from the search to create a new >> story about love. >> >> >> Lots and lots of people talk about this. The only problem is that its >> actually really hard to do this, technically, politically, socially, >> economically, legally. >> >> No matter what I would like to join in on the conversation and learn >> to shape my idea >> (model) better so that it fits reality. Please point me to books, >> threads, anything so that I can learn from the giants before me and >> stand on their shoulders. That way I may see something I wasn't able >> to see before. Please excuse the sloppy language in trying to explain >> my idea. I am excited to share these foolish dreams and I am perhaps >> writing too quickly. <div >> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> >> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> >> <tr> >> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a >> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&; >> utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" >> target="_blank"><img >> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tic >> k-green-avg-v1.png" >> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" >> /></a></td> >> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: >> #41424e; >> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; >> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a >> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&; >> utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" >> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a> >> </td> >> </tr> >> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" >> height="1"></a></div> >> >> On 10/1/17, Linas Vepstas <linasveps...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:25 PM, William Taylor < >> wtaylorjr2...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Please excuse the double post. I have an idea that I would like to try >> >> out. I would like to design modalities, sight sound taste touch and >> >> smell and general. Each of these are in turn broken into >> >> submodalities, For example sight has shape, color, position. Shape can >> >> be a collection of points in xyz three dimensional space. Feeling has >> >> temperature, pressure, texture. General has intensity, location, >> >> duration. Sound has pitch, volume, and so forth. >> > >> > >> > Sure, we do some of this already, for the robots. The code is here: >> > >> > https://github.com/opencog/ros-behavior-scripting/tree/master/sensors >> > >> > See for example, "room brightness" or "sound track". Its pretty stupid, >> > but it works and gets used, >> > >> > >> >> An object has each of >> >> these qualities. Through time these objects can be deformed. For >> >> example: red color, round shape. Smell is apple scent. Feeling is >> >> hard, and crunchy and juicy. >> > >> > >> > Sure. There's a write up for how do do this here: >> > >> > >> > https://github.com/opencog/opencog/blob/master/opencog/eva/ >> architecture/embodiment.pdf >> > >> > Some of it is implemented; its crude. >> > >> > >> > On a higher level is the idea that this >> >> is an apple. It can be deformed as chunks over time are taken out of >> >> the apple. The higher level idea is that the apple is being eaten. >> >> Higher yet again is the thought, this apple tastes good. >> >> >> > >> > Sure, but this is where the problem gets hard. >> > >> >> >> >> Ultimately I would like to create a program that can generate ideas >> >> and put them into text. >> > >> > >> > So does everyone. Easy to say, hard to do. You can implement quick >> cheesy >> > hacks in a few months or a few years. You can spend ten or 20 yeas >> after >> > that, and still not get even close. Many, many many have tried, no one >> has >> > been successful yet. Not even partly-successful. >> > >> > >> >> Then it can animate the text creating movies. >> >> I want to create this system so that in the end, the program can >> >> create items of value. I also want to create, or help create a >> >> distribution system with the property of getting the text or movie to >> >> those who want it. >> >> >> >> My dream is to create a program that in turn creates items of value >> >> and distributes them to those who want it. This I believe is a wealth >> >> generation system and it will be able to reduce poverty. I know it >> >> sounds crazy but it is my goal. >> > >> > >> > Lots and lots of people talk about this. The only problem is that its >> > actually really hard to do this, technically, politically, socially, >> > economically, legally. >> > >> > >> >> It is the reason I need a storyteller. >> >> I would like to use opencog to make it. >> >> >> >> <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> >> >> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> >> >> <tr> >> >> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a >> >> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium= >> >> email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" >> >> target="_blank"><img >> >> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope- >> >> tick-green-avg-v1.png" >> >> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" >> >> /></a></td> >> >> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: >> >> #41424e; >> >> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; >> >> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a >> >> href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium= >> >> email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" >> >> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a> >> >> </td> >> >> </tr> >> >> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" >> >> height="1"></a></div> >> >> >> >> On 10/1/17, Linas Vepstas <linasveps...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Ooof dah. A master's thesis is not much time, so at best I can >> suggest >> >> > only quick hacks. And you probably mostly would not need opencog to >> >> > implement them. >> >> > >> >> > One quick hack would be to try to discover which bundles or groups of >> >> words >> >> > dominate nearby paragraphs, and which groups of words recur >> throughout >> >> the >> >> > story. You can then replace those words by other words. >> Alternately, >> >> > if >> >> > two paragraphs are closely tied to one-another, but weakly tied to >> the >> >> rest >> >> > of the text, you can cut them out entirely, and replace them by some >> >> other >> >> > paragraphs from elsewhere (after adjusting word-content). >> >> > >> >> > By "words", I really mean nouns and entity names, and all the >> pronouns >> >> that >> >> > refer to them (he, she, it ...) just try to see which ones are near >> to >> >> > one-another, maybe that's enough to "understand" what a paragraph is >> >> > talking about. Verbs might be fun to play with. but you want to >> avoid >> >> > creating sentences like "green ideas sleep furiously". Thus, cutting >> >> > and >> >> > replacing entire paragraphs makes more sense; and then adjust the >> nouns >> >> so >> >> > that the story is still about the same topics. >> >> > >> >> > --linas >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 9:50 PM, William Taylor >> >> > <wtaylorjr2...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Thank you for responding. If you can give me some ideas, I may be >> able >> >> >> to create the code myself, or help create it. I am not the greatest >> >> >> programmer but I can learn and improve. I would like to use this for >> >> >> my termination project for my Masters at Binghamton University in >> New >> >> >> York. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/1/17, Linas Vepstas <linasveps...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > Not at this time. 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