If you keep showing the ovlbviously fake chatbot vaudville show of Sophia
as the demonstration of Atomspace technology, then what do.you expect?
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018, 12:20 Roman Treutlein <lordmor...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think if we want to increase the user-base for the AtomSpace we need to
> market it more/differently. I just tried to find the Atomspace by googling
> combinations of {graph,hypergrah, databse,comparison,...} and I can't.
> Googling "atomspace graph database" only has 4000 results whereas "neo4j
> graph database" has 466000 results. So it doesn't really matter how
> advanced the Atomspace is if nobody can find it.
>
> And I don't think adding more features like a Tinkerpop like API will help
> in that regard. So far we are a bunch of software engineers working on the
> Atomspace so we can use it for OpenCog and I don't know of anybody that
> uses the AtomSpace outside of OpenCog. So to get more user we would need
> people that work on and try to push/sell the Atomspace as an
> independent product with its own Website and stuff. No idea who would/could
> do something like that. But this is my opinion on the topic.
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 12:02:52 AM UTC+1, linas wrote:
>>
>> So:
>> Here's a quick, unstructured, randomized review of TinkerPop vs. the
>> AtomSpace.
>>
>> * There are many similarities. For example, both tinkerpop and the
>> atomspace have a key-value store per vertex/edge. Tinkerpop edges have
>> valency-2 (one vertex at each end of the edge) and are untyped. Atomspace
>> edges have any valency and are typed. (an atomspace edge aka link, can have
>> two vertexes in it .. or 1 or 3 or 0 or 23... also, a link can contain
>> links. The atomspace stores hypergraphs.)
>>
>> * Tinkerpop4, when it's available, will be hostable by "any" suitable
>> database platform. The AtomSpace has already played in this area: an
>> unsuccessful hosting on memcachedb, a successful hosting on postgres, an
>> unsuccessful one on hypertable, an unsuccessful one on neo4j. The failure
>> reasons are highly variable: memcachedb was too slow. The hypertable
>> developer fundamentally misunderstood the problem. neo4j was too slow (had
>> too large a communications overhead).
>>
>> * Both the atomspace and tinkerpop4 benefit from underlying DB
>> technology: Postgres is highly scalable, yay! Someday, Atomspace will have
>> an Apache Ignite backend, which is also highly scalable. Yay!
>>
>> * Tinkerpop has a MUCH larger development community than the AtomSpace.
>> Which means that they've done stuff long ago that are still in planning
>> stages for us. For example, "the property graph model", which the Atomspace
>> needs but doesn't have (We have real customers for this: the AGI-BIO guys
>> want this! No one is working on it!) (So, for example, key-value pairs
>> are permission-based; AGI-bio wants to overload values, based on the
>> permissions that a given user has, so e.g. there is a read-only version of
>> genomic data, and multiple read-write layers on top of it, that different
>> researchers update. Someone needs to work on this!)
>>
>> * The Gremlin traversal language is almost exactly like a an atomspace
>> pattern with a single clause. There is no concept of a multi-clause
>> traversal in Gremlin.
>>
>> After this, the differences between the two compound and diverge.
>>
>> * The Gremlin traversal language can be compiled to bytecode, and shipped
>> off to be executed remotely. Could we do something similar? Yeah, I guess.
>> But its never been the goal of the atomspace to be a generic wrapper on top
>> of existing OLAP/OLTP systems, so we've never given this much thought.
>>
>> My biggest question/frustration:
>>
>> How can we increase the user-base for the AtomSpace? It's kind of
>> frustrating that the adoption rate for the AtomSpace remains low, even as
>> graph databases become ever more popular. It feels like we're getting left
>> in the dust, and yet, whenever I look around, it feels like we're two steps
>> ahead of everyone else. So I can't figure out if we're winning or loosing.
>> Increasing adoption would really really help...
>>
>> -- Linas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:20 PM Amirouche Boubekki <amirouche...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://zenodo.org/record/1476234/files/forth-kind.pdf?download=1
>>>
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