Hi Ben, The current wiki is organized as follows:
Naming and branding: Four things. Four names. Four brands: * OpenCog Fossils * OpenCog AtomSpace * OpenCog Hyperon * OpenCog Incubator "OpenCog Fossils" consists of everything abandoned and obsolete; This includes PLN, URE, Attention, SpaceTime, Ghost, Relex, R2L, ROS, Eva/Sophia, MOSES (but not as-moses, see below). https://wiki.opencog.org/w/OpenCog_Fossils "OpenCog AtomSpace" includes: -- base AtomSpace -- CogServer and atomspace-cog (for networking, json, websockets) -- atomspace-rocks (disk I/O subsystem) -- Nil's Unifier -- Proxy Nodes (for data routing, replaces attention bank) -- Link Grammar OpenCog Hyperon -- the stuff you're working on OpenCog Incubator https://wiki.opencog.org/w/OpenCog_Incubator -- SQL bridge -- chemistry proof-of-concept -- agi-bio -- visualization (explorer & cogprotolab) -- as-moses -- typescript (javascript) bindings -- vision proof-of-concept I am still hoping that you will look at and provide a response to the idea of the hyperon-on-top-of-atomspace prototype. I think it is the easiest way for you to get a fast & scalable Hyperon working, right now, while you wait for the more whiz-bang thing to be developed. It will at least allow for basic progress and exploration. -- Linas On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 12:14 PM Ben Goertzel <bengoert...@gmail.com> wrote: > LInas, quick question, do you prefer the nomenclature "OpenCog > Classic" or "OpenCog Genesis" for the version of OC you're currently > maintaining / lead-developing? > > As a side comment, I am thinking mid-fall Hyperon will be at a stage > where it makes sense to aggressively try to grow the Hyperon OSS > development community ... More on this later! > > ben > > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 6:30 PM Ivan V. <ivan.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hello dear OC community, > > > > May I drop just an observation as an independent eye? How about > something constructive like (based on Linas' suggestions): > > > > OpenCog Genesis > > OpenCog Hyperon > > > > and additionally: > > > > OpenCog Fossils > > OpenCog Incubator > > > > --- > > > > Use for Fossils is obvious, and relates to Linas' excellent idea. A lot > of people tied up a valuable time in it, and holding that work in an > archive like this would be a great. Who knows, maybe someone has a clue how > to revive portions of those extensions. > > > > Genesis and Hyperon would be the first two incompatible versions in a > row: > > > > Genesis would be the current version (filtered at someone's wake eye); > it already works, it already has a user base, and it is given enough > attention not to just let it go like that; just package it right, and I'm > sure it will have enough users. Something should be made out of it, and I > like Linas' propositions. > > Hyperon would be (as a product of a lot of experimentation - not to be > disregarded) an evolutionary step from Genesis; obviously, a considerable > amount of effort is invested in it; it is the second, but surely not the > last step in this mainstream timeline. > > And the following versions... boy, I can't wait to see what the future > brings... the future is always surprisingly ingenious... > > > > > > As a potential independent contributor, I'm particularly interested in > Incubator as a place from which all the mainstream versions would be > updated and refreshed by extensions worth of consideration. I like the OC > openness, but I find the current strategy too chaotic to hold everything > together in a right place. Incubator could solve that problem in my humble > opinion. I wish there could be a clearer connection from Incubator to > Genesis and Hyperon in terms of GitHub, but what we have, we have, and I'm > grateful for it. > > > > @Linas, do you have any thoughts on these suggestions or am I being too > insolent? > > > > love, > > Ivan > > > > Dana nedjelja, 18. lipnja 2023. u 04:20:50 UTC+2 korisnik Linas Vepstas > napisao je: > >> > >> Naming and branding: > >> > >> So here's a proposal. Four things. Four names. Four brands: > >> > >> * OpenCog Classic > >> * OpenCog AtomSpace > >> * OpenCog Hyperon > >> * OpenCog Incubator > >> > >> "OpenCog Classic" consists of everything abandoned and obsolete; This > includes PLN, URE, Attention, SpaceTime, Ghost, Relex, R2L, ROS, > Eva/Sophia, MOSES (but not as-moses, see below). > >> > >> "OpenCog AtomSpace" includes: > >> -- base AtomSpace > >> -- CogServer and atomspace-cog (for networking, json, websockets) > >> -- atomspace-rocks (disk I/O subsystem) > >> -- Proxy Nodes (for data routing, replaces attention bank) > >> -- Link Grammar > >> > >> OpenCog Hyperon > >> -- the stuff you're working on > >> > >> OpenCog Incubator > >> -- atomspace-prolog proof-of-concept > >> -- chemistry proof-of-concept > >> -- agi-bio > >> -- visualization > >> -- as-moses > >> -- vision proof-of-concept > >> -- hyperon-on-top-of-atomspace proof of concept. > >> -- etc. > >> > >> The above is the branding and website design that I would like to see. > It makes it clear what's what, what goes where, what's alive, what's dead. > what's stable, what's new. what's broken, what's experimental. Does this > work for you? > >> > >> Two extra remarks: > >> > >> The hyperon-on-top-of-atomspace proof of concept. Not sure if you > didn't see the announcement, or you saw it and just hated it. I think > putting Hyperon on top of the AtomSpace is not too hard, and I think it > might work quite well, given that the code base is debugged and performance > tuned. I understand that the current devel crew does not care for such a > thing. But it is a viable path, and a kind of insurance policy. > >> > >> Link Grammar. I've been working to integrate Link Grammar more closely > with the base AtomSpace. It turns out that Link Grammar is a generic > structure parser. Or rather, is close to one, although some fair amount of > bending, welding and hammering is still required. I think it can be used to > process visual/video data, audio data, sensory data in general. Part of the > big deal is that link-grammar is now really really fast: Amir Plivatsy has > performance-tuned the heck out of it, it runs about 100x faster than it did > a decade ago. And since CPU's have also gotten faster, ... wow. So that is > the dataflow, or structure-flow idea. Converting any kind of streaming data > into a "streaming semantic graph" in real time. > >> > >> AS-MOSES: As a whole, it is problematic. There are a few pieces/parts > I'd like to rip out and breathe new life into. In particular, generic > "knob-turning" and deme management would be excellent stand-alone plugins > for the AtomSpace. I need knob-turning in order to train on video and audio > feeds. > >> > >> -- Linas > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:18 PM Ben Goertzel <bengo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I think Linas may not care for the appellation "Classic" for the > >>> version of OpenCog he's currently developing and. using .. I don't > >>> really love it either but I just came up with it casually and have > >>> kept using it.. it was kind of a bad joke on "coca Cola Classic" > >>> really... > >>> > >>> Linas, how would you suggest we refer to the original, non-Hyperon > >>> version of OpenCog on the opencog.org site... given that we want to > >>> clearly point folks who come to the site both to a page giving > >>> resources on Hyperon, and to resources on the other original/classic > >>> OC version (e.g. the OC wiki, the Github repo, etc.) ... > >>> > >>> thanks > >>> ben > >>> > >>> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:46 PM Haley Lowy > >>> <haley...@singularitynet.io> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Hello Linas! > >>> > > >>> > We are planning to have our web person start with a refresh of the > look and feel of the OpenCog front page - drawing largely from the content > that is on the foundation site currently about the theoretical > underpinnings of OpenCog and its vision and goals. We’ll then have a > section that features the two versions - “Classic” (which is how we’ve been > referring to the original), and “Hyperon”. We will link out to the wiki, > the discord, and the google group for those who want to get involved. > >>> > > >>> > We will then, as Ben says, add a subdomain for Hyperon - we > currently don’t have a good place to collect and highlight the features and > progress of this project, so this page will allow us to do that. > >>> > > >>> > Mario Guzman will be doing the website design and development, and > we are currently building wireframes for it, which we should be able to > share early next week. We are hoping to have at least a fresh landing page > and some initial resources up before AGI-23. > >>> > > >>> > What do you have in mind, and what are your goals for a new site? > >>> > > >>> > I look forward to getting to coordinate with you on this, as your > passion and enthusiasm for OpenCog has been so helpful to devs and > researchers who want to get involved in using this system. Thank you, > >>> > > >>> > Haley > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On May 16, 2023, at 5:40 AM, Ben Goertzel <bengo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Hey! > >>> > > > >>> > > It seems that two parties (Haley / SNet team) and Linas are > >>> > > concurrently thinking about updating the OpenCog.org site in the > near > >>> > > term... > >>> > > > >>> > > Def. this update makes sense, the site is more than a bit stale... > but > >>> > > let's make sure we're coordinated here... > >>> > > > >>> > > Linas: Our plan has been to make a subdomain hyperon.opencog.org > and > >>> > > use it as a main info page on Hyperon, and then insert a link on > this > >>> > > on the (revised) front page. I suppose this would be compatible w/ > >>> > > whatever changes you're thinking of making? > >>> > > > >>> > > Anyway I don't want to be in the middle here communication-wise so > w/ > >>> > > this email I am aiming to put Haley and Linas in direct > communication > >>> > > on this! > >>> > > > >>> > > thx > >>> > > ben > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > -- > >>> > > Ben Goertzel, PhD > >>> > > b...@goertzel.org > >>> > > > >>> > > "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD > >>> b...@goertzel.org > >>> > >>> "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Patrick: Are they laughing at us? > >> Sponge Bob: No, Patrick, they are laughing next to us. > >> > >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "opencog" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/f4592451-f1ff-4e73-b608-7db356e83f4dn%40googlegroups.com > . > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > b...@goertzel.org > > "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CACYTDBcSSmk2Of4uVuz3S-GLwN_m8d29d82OfKFJKY2pDAUd7w%40mail.gmail.com > . > -- Patrick: Are they laughing at us? 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