Absolutely. This was what I was looking for.

Thanks,

Stef


Op 22-mei-2007, om 9:52 heeft Sam Heard het volgende geschreven:

> Just to elucidate:
>
> In relation to observations there are 3 times that are formally  
> captured:
>
> 1. The timing event - this is the time the sample is taken with  
> blood tests, or the time of measurement of a blood pressure. This  
> is captured as part of the history class.
> 2. The event context of the composition - this relates to the  
> clinical time, report time or whatever.
> 3. The commit time - when the record is committed to the EHR.
>
> The important thing is that you could commit a record on Monday  
> having seen someone on Saturday (and made handwritten notes) and  
> recorded a blood sugar they took on Friday at 10.30am.
>
> Hope this helps...Sam
>
> Stef Verlinden wrote:
>> Thanks for your clear explanation but it doesn't provide the clue I'm
>> looking for. Since I lack a most of the technical background I can
>> only approach it from a clinical point of view.
>>
>> My question is: Where/how do I register the data and time of an event
>> that took place.
>> So let's say that at this moment (May 18 2007 @10hrs10min) I want to
>> register an event that took place last night (May 17 2007  
>> @23hrs53min).
>> How/where in the AT can I create a data entry field for this (if
>> that's necessary at all) and how would this look like in a data entry
>> template html page
>>
>> Op 17-mei-2007, om 3:18 heeft Andrew Patterson het volgende  
>> geschreven:
>>
>>
>>>> I need some help in understanding the concept 'point in time'.  
>>>> As far
>>>> as I understand it now the completion date/time of an event (f.i. a
>>>> blood pressure measurement) is registered as a point in time in the
>>>> event section of the archetype.
>>>>
>>> yes, that's my understanding as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thing is that I expected to find an entry field where I can enter
>>>> that particular date and time.  In the EHR_IM I found the Action
>>>> class (p.71) which purpose seems to be to capture/record those  
>>>> points
>>>> in time, is I figured that's the place to be.
>>>>
>>> well, there is a 'time' field in Action which is where you would
>>> record
>>> the time of an action. But blood pressure is an observation, and
>>> unlike Action, all observations are modeled as a HISTORY of events.
>>>
>>> So in OBSERVATION, we find a HISTORY that has an 'origin'
>>> time and also contains a set of time EVENT's.
>>>
>>> Each EVENT also has a 'time' field (with some restrictions on how
>>> it relates to 'origin' in the containing HISTORY).
>>>
>>> However, you will rarely find any reference to one of these  
>>> fields in
>>> an ADL document because these fields are generally unconstrained
>>> (i.e you
>>> wouldn't write an archetype that said the blood pressure had to be
>>> measured at 03-06-2007). You will find that the 'offset' field is
>>> often used -
>>> this is defined as the difference in time between the EVENT and the
>>> base time in the HISTORY. It can be used to model EVENT's that
>>> must occur at set times after the 'origin' of the HISTORY (apgar  
>>> etc).
>>>
>>> INTERVAL_EVENT can be used to record fancy averages over time
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> (I don't write archetypes so take this with a grain of salt! It's my
>>> understanding
>>> from a technical background, not a clinical background)
>>>
>>> Andrew
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