Dear Stef,

Thanks for your question which is very important because it shows how 
clinical people understand the archetypes and Reference Model. I am sure 
you have got all responses to your question. In a word, the event time 
field is in the reference model which is not shown in the archetype 
editor. That's why you confused. I support Heather's suggestions. 
Archetype developer doesn't need to understand/know the reference model 
classes and all the fields in each class. They should be simply 
displayed in the archetype editor.

Cheers,

Chunlan

Heather Leslie wrote:

>My view on this is simpler and more concrete  -  there will be a 
>date/time field displayed in the software User Interface (that comes 
>directly from the reference model, and that we don't need to 
>archetype).  The default for that date/time may be now, but can be 
>changed to something else.
>
>Therefore don't need to archetype date and time separately.
>
> From my clinician point of view, the average clinical archetyper can 
>only imagine that what they see in the archetype will be what can 
>possibly be displayed on their User Interface.  It would be ideal if we 
>can work to make the 'unseen' magic that comes from the reference model 
>clearer, as the UML diagram is (almost) totally unintelligible to 
>others, like me, and even if it can be understood, they may not 
>neccessarily be able to make the leap from the diagram to how it will 
>work in practice (ie a UI).
>
>Perhaps the apparently 'hidden' reference model stuff should perhaps 
>even be displayed, in an uneditable format, in the Archetype Editor and 
>Template Designer - to make this design process more transparent and 
>help bridge the clinical/technical divide just a little.
>
>Heather
>
>*Dr Heather Leslie
>*Director, Senior Clinical Consultant
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>Thomas Beale wrote:
>  
>
>>Stef Verlinden wrote:
>>  
>>    
>>
>>>Maybe I've been looking for something that isn't there, so for now  
>>>I've solved it to add a date and time of measurement field to the AT  
>>>data section. 
>>>    
>>>      
>>>
>>you don't need to so this - it is already in the reference model - not 
>>every attribute in the reference model classes are mentioned in 
>>archetypes. The reference model classes for History, Event etc are 
>>visible here - 
>>http://www.openehr.org/uml/release-1.0.1/Browsable/_9_0_76d0249_1109157527311_729550_7234Report.html
>>
>>When any class name is mentioned in an archetype (such as OBSERVATION, 
>>HISTORY, EVENT etc), all the attributes from the openEHR reference model 
>>are assumed to be there. The archetype only needs to mention those 
>>attributes that make sense to constrain ahead of time - typically this 
>>does not include date/time attributes or other specifics of locale or 
>>context.
>>
>>- thomas beale
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