Op woensdag 27 april 2005 00:31, schreef Gerard Freriks: > Disasters or not. > This is not what I ment. > > In real life we buy a loaf of bread without a full identication. > In real life I get healthcare without the need for the care providers > to know my name. > And when I pay in cash they don't need my bank account number.
I agree, it is not the function of an information system to make a true identity mandatory, it should give other means to identify people unique. It must also give the opportunity for people to identify themselve always as unique, so there can not be a link between caretakings, if people do not want that in an special situation. It is the law which must decide in howfar an identity should be true, not the information system. We are talking about an information system/standard which has the intention of being worldwide useable, so it must be prepared for all kind of situations. When you say that an information system must follow a local law, you cannot use it worldwide, and you can get in trouble when the law changes. So you have to be very careful with the word "mandatory" in class-properties of Identity-related classes, before you know you are writing/implementing localised law/culture, instead of an information system with worldwide pretentions. Bert > > The only need a unique identifier (set of) to find records filed > previously. > Any unique thing will work as well. > A real name, address, data of birth, or > my bankaccount, > the date of my mothers birthday, > a token, > a phoney name, > or an other unique thing like a series of scars on my skin, a > photograph, my fingerprint, etc, etc > > Gerard > > > -- <private> -- > Gerard Freriks, arts > Huigsloterdijk 378 > 2158 LR Buitenkaag > The Netherlands > > +31 252 544896 > +31 654 792800 > > On 26 Apr 2005, at 09:56, Bert Verhees wrote: > > Op dinsdag 26 april 2005 07:37, schreef Gerard Freriks: > >> We must get used to the notion that patients not always have to > >> provide > >> their real names. > >> And that in order to provide healthcare we need to know the real > >> (administrative) identity. > > > > When you build a system that is only usable when you have a working > > Internet-connection, in my humble opinion, this is a bad system. > > > > There are many situations where you don't have good networks, think of > > war, > > tsunamies, big disasters, maybe you want to register people for the > > healthcare they get, but if a stupid application refuses to accept a > > patient, > > because the OID cannot be resolved (when you say mandatory to a > > programmer, > > he will make it mandatory), tha application will be useless. > > > > But this example is beyond the scope of my problems (for now). > > > > Bert > > > >> Gerard > >> > >> -- <private> -- > >> Gerard Freriks, arts > >> Huigsloterdijk 378 > >> 2158 LR Buitenkaag > >> The Netherlands > >> > >> +31 252 544896 > >> +31 654 792800 > >> > >> On 17 Mar 2005, at 13:50, Grahame Grieve wrote: > >>> At 11:29 PM 17/03/2005, you wrote: > >>>>> Richard is often abbreviated to Dick in English usage. > >>>>> No idea what the origin is - lost in the mists of time. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, if you get > >>>>> initial = D > >>>>> given = Richard > >>>>> > >>>>> you don't know that the D is an abbreviation for Richard. > >>>>> And if you do know that it is, there's no way to say so > >>>> > >>>> Well, is there a *need* to say so ? What's fundamentally > >>>> wrong with just storing the D as a second first name along > >>>> with Richard ? I probably am too much of a pragmatist. > >>> > >>> hi Karsten > >>> > >>> depends which hat I'm wearing. If I'm programming, then > >>> I probably won't care - delegate the problem to the user. > >>> > >>> If I'm wearing my standards hat, or writing a reference > >>> demographics server, then I would care > >>> > >>> Grahame > > > > -- > > Met vriendelijke groet > > Bert Verhees > > ROSA Software > > - > > If you have any questions about using this list, > > please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org -- Met vriendelijke groet Bert Verhees ROSA Software - If you have any questions about using this list, please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org
