Hi David, You have not responded, could you please answer my questions I asked?
Also, per your previous email in this thread to Jacek, all is not well from my perspective and I am sticking to my -1 until we get resolution. Thanks, Jeff Jeff Genender wrote: > > David Blevins wrote: >> If Apache were to pass a by-law saying PMCs are no longer required, I'd >> be the first person to resign from it. However we have to have a PMC >> for legal oversight reasons and will continue to add people to it, but I >> personally really hope it never becomes the "core" of our community. I >> hope that the core always remains right here on the dev list where >> everyone, committer or not, can participate. >> > > So then are you proposing that committer == pmc? This seems like it > fits your definition and would likely fix this issue. Do you see a > valid reason to have a smaller subset? > >> We have done an excellent job in this community at making sure we all >> feel like we make a difference here, that someone without commit >> privileges has just as much voice as someone with commit. Several >> people, committers and otherwise have stood up and said so. I think it >> would be a terrible tragedy to start defining the word community as >> those on the PMC and to say anyone not on the PMC are being ostracize >> and not part of the community. > > So then how would you categorize who got chosen to be on the PMC, and > who did not? > >> I'm personally happy with the progress we've made for ourselves and am >> fine adding more people to it over time. >> >> How do others feel? > > I am not sure what you are asking... > > What I do see is we have done well so far. Where I am left scratching > my head is how this initial group of committers/contributors got picked. > What I also see, is concern raised by a few folks that they were not a > part of this initial group. There are clearly some hurt feelings here. > > I see Rick and myself raising the issue of why we are not on the list. > I saw Jacek advocate that all parties be included. I must have missed > the email somewhere how the subset got chosen. Somehow we went from the > PPMC consisting of Henry, Jason, and Brett, of whom would vote on > additional members, to this list being chosen. Was there a vote for the > aforementioned list and is there a reason the others were not included? > > On the other hand, I certainly do not want to have to beg my way on to > the PMC. If you and the other committers feel that the subset is the > way to go, I will not comment further...the community gets what the > community wants. But IMHO, based on the responses and comments on this > topic, it seems like a bad choice, and a bad way to start, and I > certainly feel very uncomfortable with the way this has unfolded. > > Jeff > >> >> -David >> >>
