David, I am sorry, but I am not ok and I do *not* agree all is well. I think my emails have been pretty clear on that. You have not answered the questions on how this initial PMC list was chosen.
Jeff David Blevins wrote: > > This is a good note. I have just one comment on this part. > >> That's where I think we focused too much on coding rather >> than on establishing a healthy community. > > We're doing great in this regard. We've gotten several compliments > that we have focused on the right things and have done very well at > creating a great community. They all came from non-committers too > who were happy with how much they felt welcomed included. They all > sited it as the primary reason they wanted to participate more. > > > I think we'll be in great shape if we continue to focus on our core > values that everyone's input matters, that you don't need commit to > be in the community, have a voice, or truly be included. > > I think though that if we focus too much on the PMC topic, the net > result will be that people will feel that it's a much bigger deal > than it really is, that there is some injustice going on, that things > really aren't equal and their input doesn't matter as much as we say, > that even having commit isn't good enough, and that the PMC really > *is* the center of the project and not them nor even the committers. > > The good news is that we're not there yet :) Rick has stated he's > fine with our direction. Matt now feels good and added his +1. Jeff > seems to also agree all is well. Usually a -1 creates more > negativity. But I think it's also a sign of our strength that we can > talk through things and turn them positive. And all the while we've > had this discussion on our public dev list instead of a private list. > > We're in great shape, we just need to keep working together to keep > things this way. > > > -David > > > On Apr 3, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Jacek Laskowski wrote: > >> On 4/4/07, Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Ok...so now I am confused. From what I read, I see that as well. >>> But >>> IIUC, the PPMC has somewhat disbanded less a "vote" on new >>> members...again...am I missing something? >> >> I've been looking for some additional information on the PPMC and PMC, >> but couldn't find any reference that would back up the statement of >> forming PMC from the former PPMC. It simply does make sense. So, let >> me think about the situation out loud. >> >> In our case, with Jeff, Matt, Rick who're with OpenEJB for a long time >> and they're not on PPMC, it might mean that 1) PPMC has completely >> forgotten to vote to invite them to PPMC, 2) PPMC has decided they are >> not ready to be invited to PPMC yet. >> >> Either case doesn't sound good. It's us, the PPMC, who should've taken >> an active role in taking care of people who did't fall into these >> categories. That's where I think we focused too much on coding rather >> than on establishing a healthy community. Well, it doesn't mean that >> we don't have one, we do, but again - pointing out the names, Mohammad >> and Manu were active enough, to be visible and by their activities >> influenced the final decision about their invitation to become the >> committers. Perhaps, if I'd spend more time on the project, I'd have >> noticed it, but I think current activities around the project always >> boiled down to my activity in discussions with no care of others less >> involved in development activities who helped us, but might've felt >> being excluded only because they're not actively coding. Shame on me! >> >> As you can see, I've got many doubts and lots of troubles figuring out >> what road we should follow. Given that I feel that it was simply an >> oversight and I should've stepped forward to discuss the issue >> beforehand, I'd go ahead and...likely make a mistake that would >> outlive the project - there would always be bad feelings about the >> initial committers. On the other hand, if we stayed here and wait till >> the situation is sorted out in the Incubator, how would that change >> from the situation we'd graduate and do it later? Let's be honest, >> what if PPMC didn't think they're ready for PPMC? Should that hinder >> our graduation? These questions surely pop up in our heads and if it >> happened in this project, it might completely grind down what we've >> achieved so far. >> >> Hmm, I think I've got too much thinking about it and would appreciate >> the others' comment on it. I don't like when people are unhappy so I'm >> all ears to hear anything I should/could do to turn it around. >> >> (Oh how I wish Jeff had pointed it out before) >> >> Jacek >> >> -- >> Jacek Laskowski >> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl >> > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-vote--Request-Graduation-to-a-TLP-tf3509720s2756.html#a9835860 Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
