OpenEmbedded Technical Steering Committee 23 April 2013 Attendees: Koen (koen) Khem (khem) Fray (fray) Paul (bluelightning) Richard (RP) Apologies:
Notes: Jefro Agenda at a glance: 1. pick a chair 2. new issues 3. lingering issues a. oe-classic recipe migration status b. summarize release goals 4. projects in progress - status a. oe-core release b. infrastructure c. systemd into master - still in progress d. mailing list outage e. meta-oe appends/overlayed recipes RFC f. 1.5 planning 5. projects deferred ________________________________________________________________ Agenda & Results 1. pick a chair fray ___________________________________ 2. new issues ___________________________________ 3. lingering issues b. oe-classic recipe migration status c. systemd merge unhappiness => maintain a wiki page to summarize release goals (jefro) => no status emails yet but plan to (RP) d. oe.org flooded refs to oe.org git should point to github => khem to fix the oe wiki and reminder to ml possible to move server at some point? => jefro to investigate YP hosting, kernel.org mirror ___________________________________ 4. projects in progress - status a. oe-core release autobuilder issues qemuimagetest will change significantly in 1.5 ptest a good addition much more to integrate in 1.5 b. infrastructure see 4d c. systemd into master - done, drop from future agendas d. mailing list outage mailing list moving to YP server, in progress list addresses will not change e. meta-oe appends/overlayed recipes RFC http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2013-February/043925.html no avr32 support in public layers => paul has patches to remove bbappends, pending discussion on ml everything uncontested has been sent for review http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2013-February/043964.html qt4/qt tools stuff troublesome f. 1.5 planning RP supports PACKAGECONFIG proposal ___________________________________ 5. projects deferred a. raise awareness of "janitor" list, QA "bugs" defer to after 1.4 b. document whitespace changes to the shell http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Commit_Patch_Message_Guidelines http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/Styleguide https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Recipe_%26_Patch_Style_Guide => still need to de-dup these, need a volunteer ask for volunteers after 1.4 (jefro) c. raise ntp with the Yocto Project [RP] immediate need addressed, reasonable default needed use LICENSE_FLAGS - non-commercial no default set after Paul's changes RP raised with YP AB => going to mailing lists & someone should write a proposal => fray will send to list after 1.4 ________________________________________________________________ Raw Transcript (8:58:08 AM) mode (+v Jefro) by ChanServ (8:58:18 AM) koen: good morning all (8:58:37 AM) Jefro: good morning (8:59:04 AM) RP: Hi everyone (8:59:32 AM) RP: I suspect we might not get Paul today (8:59:59 AM) Jefro: I would expect not (9:00:07 AM) Jefro: any new issues to put on the agenda? (9:00:42 AM) ***fray is fried, between snow storms, house stuff and work... (9:00:53 AM) fray: so no new items from me (9:00:54 AM) ***RP is also fried, due to the release (9:01:23 AM) RP: Jefro: link to the agenda? (9:03:15 AM) Jefro: agenda in about 2 seconds (9:03:51 AM) Jefro: finally: http://pastebin.com/ZTtdqWRm (9:05:47 AM) Jefro: any new issues? (9:05:49 AM) fray: ok (9:06:47 AM) RP: nothing new from me (9:06:54 AM) RP: Who is chairing? (9:07:03 AM) ***RP did it recently so its not me :) (9:08:24 AM) fray: I can (9:09:27 AM) fray: ok? (9:09:35 AM) Jefro: sounds good to me (9:09:44 AM) fray: 2. any (additional) new issues? (9:10:18 AM) fray: 3. lingering issues (9:10:29 AM) fray: a. oe-classic migration status.. (no Paul, so no status?) (9:10:58 AM) RP: I've still not done the perl recipes (9:11:11 AM) RP: I have a small issue of figuring out which ones merged into perl itself (9:11:28 AM) RP: I think progress is being made slowly in a variety of areas (9:12:18 AM) fray: b, then? release goals.. (9:12:19 AM) fray: I saw the first email for the 1.5 bitbake changes go out.. (9:12:53 AM) RP: Yes, we're looking at 1.5 planning (9:12:55 AM) koen: I loved the "if we split bitbake into a client and server" response (9:12:59 AM) koen: that was done years ago :) (9:13:17 AM) RP: koen: indeed (9:13:31 AM) RP: The email was to give people the high level idea (9:13:39 AM) RP: the details are still tbd (9:14:16 AM) RP: As for the current release, 1.4 is beyond the point it can take changes without slipping now (9:14:36 AM) RP: I've seen there are some issues but nothing I believe it worth slipping the release for (9:15:00 AM) fray: I'm comfortable with a release and known bug list (9:15:04 AM) RP: As always I'd encourage people to use the bugzilla, we do work closely with it (9:15:19 AM) RP: (both for 1.4 issues and 1.5) (9:15:58 AM) koen: the postinst situation is a lot better now, the mixed gconf/gsettings/gtk-iconcache now run completely on the host (9:16:28 AM) koen: there's still a problem with run-postinst.service, though (9:17:14 AM) fray: 3 e then? (not sure where c an d went) (9:17:35 AM) RP: koen: right, not there with that one yet but we'll figure it out... (9:18:12 AM) koen: I changed Timeoutsec to 600 so it will timeout after 10 minutes (9:18:21 AM) Jefro: fray they were removed because of austerity (9:18:35 AM) fray: One comment on 3e -- YP hosting of oe.org.. I'm not sure that is an actual solution.. as I've been noticing git.yoctoproject.org getting slower over time.. (9:18:48 AM) fray: adding the load of oe.org may not work to either projects advantage.. :( (9:19:18 AM) RP: Sorry, I've been looking at the wrong items :/ (9:19:20 AM) Jefro: fray it might be possible to use the addition of oe as impetus to beef up the servers &/| bandwidth (9:19:34 AM) Jefro: or it might be good to find a different solution (9:19:57 AM) RP: fray: have you mentioned that to Michael? (9:20:01 AM) fray: Jefro ya.. I think it would have to be.. -if- git.yp... was an active mirror (or irigin) (9:20:16 AM) fray: I did.. he traced it down to high load, mirroring releases, etc.. (9:20:32 AM) RP: fray: ah, the mirroring is a killer on bandwidth (9:20:43 AM) fray: it's still acceptable performance, but it's definitely getting slower then when this project was new.. ;) (9:20:52 AM) RP: fray: is it back to normal now? (9:20:59 AM) fray: havn't looked today.. (9:21:46 AM) RP: For 3b, I will start the status emails for 1.5, just trying to get over the release stress atm (9:22:04 AM) fray: yup.. I think the bitbake one going out first was a good start (9:23:02 AM) fray: current download speed is approx 200-300 KiB/s for me.. my machine can normally get 1 MiB/s down at max (9:23:12 AM) fray: like I said, acceptable.. but slower then it used to be.. (9:23:30 AM) fray: on to 4? (9:24:10 AM) khem: hi all (9:24:10 AM) RP: fray: ok with me (9:24:14 AM) RP: hi khem (9:24:15 AM) koen: we covered 4a a bit already :) (9:24:23 AM) RP: I talked about 1.4 above (9:24:28 AM) fray: 4a oe-core release status.. anything to add? (9:24:34 AM) fray: hey khem (9:24:49 AM) RP: I don't have much to add. I'm fried basically :/ (9:24:56 AM) khem: connectiions in new buildings are troublesome (9:24:59 AM) fray: yup.. we can come back to that next time.. (9:25:03 AM) khem: and we are a networking company :( (9:25:11 AM) Jefro: I have khem on cell - he is having network issues at work (9:25:14 AM) Jefro: ah, there he is (9:25:17 AM) fray: anything new on infrastructure issue(s) other then mailing list (or git)? (9:25:18 AM) khem: I have to drop at 9:30 (9:25:38 AM) fray: khem hopefully we'll be done soon.. (9:25:42 AM) RP: khem: anything you want to talk about then? (9:25:44 AM) khem: I met with halstead and tom king (9:26:20 AM) khem: so right now Phil is wating on TSCs direction for extracting the ml archives from ltg (9:26:36 AM) khem: and I think Michael said he will work on it this week (9:26:41 AM) fray: what direction do we need to do (if any)? (9:26:42 AM) khem: if he has archives (9:27:02 AM) khem: I think TSC is ok with him providing the archives or not (9:27:11 AM) RP: khem: I say we are (9:27:14 AM) fray: I don't have any problem with it (9:27:47 AM) RP: The ml issues have hurt project productivity recently :( (9:28:22 AM) RP: do we know where they're planning to migrate to? (9:28:25 AM) khem: OK (9:29:36 AM) Jefro: RP migration to YP servers (9:29:53 AM) RP: Jefro: ok (9:30:41 AM) fray: anything else on infrastructure before khem has to go? (9:31:19 AM) Jefro: khem - are you going to talk to pb? anything you need from me? (9:34:16 AM) khem: Jefro: I will take the TSC message (9:34:25 AM) Jefro: khem ok (9:34:26 AM) fray: ok.. (9:34:26 AM) khem: and connvey to him (9:35:18 AM) fray: 4c then? systemd into master.. Can we consider this 'done' and now at the point of in (and at the point of maintenance?) (9:35:49 AM) RP: yes, I think we should consider that "done" and into bugfixing/enhancement like the rest of the system (9:36:22 AM) khem: pardon me (9:36:38 AM) khem: I am going for a yocto brain was (9:36:49 AM) RP: khem: ?! (9:36:58 AM) fray: ok.. so drop 4c from future status.. (9:36:59 AM) khem: oh work :) (9:37:07 AM) fray: 4d we already covered (mailing list) (9:37:11 AM) khem: I have to talk there (9:37:18 AM) khem: so I will leave now (9:37:28 AM) fray: 4e -- meta-oe appends/overlayed recipes RFC... I suggest we postpone until Paul is around (9:37:30 AM) fray: ok (9:37:34 AM) RP: khem: ok, have fun! ;-) (9:37:37 AM) Jefro: I totally want to know what a "yocto brain was" might be (9:37:41 AM) khem: yeah I will try (9:37:44 AM) RP: fray: yes, progress is being made there though (9:38:06 AM) RP: Jefro: I suspect it was meant t be wash (9:38:13 AM) ***fray was guessing 'wash' as well.. (9:38:15 AM) RP: Jefro: with Khem doing the washing ;-) (9:39:00 AM) RP: For 4f did we get a bugzilla entry? (9:39:06 AM) RP: and what was the proposal again? :) (9:39:16 AM) ***fray was going to ask the same thing (9:39:28 AM) RP: For 5), no update afaik (9:39:39 AM) RP: I think it was to more widely adopt PACKAGECONFIG? (9:39:52 AM) fray: could be.. and I'm all in favor of that (9:40:10 AM) fray: FYI 4a/4c I'm going to push that out another couple weeks till the 1.4 dust settles.. (9:40:17 AM) fray: but not much further (9:42:10 AM) fray: ok.. anything else? (9:42:30 AM) RP: nothing I can think of (9:42:40 AM) fray: adjourned? (9:43:08 AM) Jefro: w00t (9:43:19 AM) fray: :) (9:43:40 AM) Jefro: I'll send out minutes as soon as everyone is able to ack the last ones I sent out... last night (9:43:48 AM) fray: ok -- Jeff Osier-Mixon http://jefro.net/blog Yocto Project Community Manager @Intel http://yoctoproject.org _______________________________________________ Openembedded-core mailing list Openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-core