John,

There is no simple answer to the cost of an EHR implementation, VOE  
or otherwise, for solo, 5 provider, 10 provider, etc.   This is  
caused first by an absence of data, and second by an extreme  
variability in site-level technology life cycle costs which are  
independent of the software application layer.   EHR software is just  
another electronic workflow solution which rides on top of the  
underlying technology infrastructure at any practice, along with  
scheduling, billing, lab, email, calendaring, etc.   In many cases  
there is no clean way to break out the costs between the underlying  
technology infrastructure layer (servers, cable plant, bandwidth,  
provisioning and administration, security measures, backups, after- 
hours support, etc.) and the EHR (or other application) software in  
use at a typical office.

In my prior life as an IT Manager in the non-healthcare sector during  
the 1990s, I found it best to speak in cost ranges (or estimates +/-  
some x% cost factor) for the entire technology operating budget.    
Trying to isolate the specific cost of a single application in the  
overall technology environment is not necessarily a good use of time,  
nor does it provide data that is relevant in similar institutional  
settings.    Applying this as a general rule to the healthcare  
sector, I would answer your query by starting with the total annual  
technology budget as a % of total operating costs for the typical  
practice.   I expect (no avalanche of data to support this yet) that  
we will find that technology cost ranges below something like (insert  
weasel words here!) 5% of total operating costs will be inadequate to  
provide a robust and satisfactory clinical software environment.    
The practice-level costing studies I have seen to date do not give me  
the confidence to estimate these cost values yet, but the work of  
Robert Miller and others gives me hope that we are not far from  
establishing preliminary cost ranges for small practices.

Understanding the basis for technology costs precedes the specific  
comparison of VOE costs versus any other EHR solution.   Claims for  
VOE costs compared to the costs of other EHR software have to be  
looked at carefully.   Claims for such costs will vary based on who  
is making the claim, the site-level technology sophistication which  
is the basis for the costing claims, and the extensiveness of  
technology utilization at the site(s) in question.

[wr]

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On Oct 3, 2005, at 7:24 AM, John Leo Zimmer, MD wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 6:55 AM
>
> ...we have found
> that VOE is still less expensive than other,
> functionally comparable EHR's.
>
>
> Who's "we"?
>
> We know... make that "I know" that the cost of VOE will include  
> licensing
> costs for Cache', the version of the MUMPS language which CMS has  
> chosen to
> use... and a few hundred per year for licensing the AMA's CPT codes.
>
> I know or can calculate the costs of hardware:  a server and  
> workstations,
> laptops or tablets, networking, backup, printers.
>
> I know the cost for licensing VOE itself... Zero.
> Or rather, licensing is neither necessary nor available for public  
> domain
> software.
>
> I would like to see the numbers on what "we" think VOE will cost,  
> installed,
> for say a solo practice, a 5 provider, 10 provider, 100 provider  
> practice.
>
> Regards, jlz
>
> Just reading the tea leaves like everyone else.
>
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