Perhaps the problem is the mail-list way this is being discussed.
People feel that they 'need' to read these things since they are in
their inbox. I too don't see any reason to be impolite or tell people
to stop discussing something simply because a person feels that
everything is the best of all possible worlds. It hurts no-one
discussing this and you never know, maybe somebody has the best name
ever hiding somewhere in the back of their minds. Not saying
openindiana (really, those of you that haven't been to Indiana should go
there, the name wouldn't be so attractive to you then) isn't a good
name, just that their might be something better out there.
If this were a real online forum rather than a mail list with an online
archive some of these issues of 'don't waste my time' would disappear.
On 10/10/2010 09:31 AM, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
Well, I told a few many times that I am ok with openindiana, and there
is no one trying to change anything we are just exchanging ideas an
trying to give some new perspectives to the thing. This is a basic
procedure in all creative process. This has nothing to do about "my
distro as I like it" or "your distro as you like it".
Talking and exchange of opinions should happen out of this kind of
interventions.
What I don't understand is the completely protective attitude. As it
is counter productive to the project I highlight it, and as it is not
very polite, I highlight the subject as well.
If a group of people is bringing ideas on the table, a "could you
please stop" is not a proper answer.
I have been involved in group collaborations for the last 15 years,
and to my experience, even if it is seen as childish, requesting to
stop that kind of attitude is best from the beginning. And talking
openly, and respecting others is best. Ending subjects kills many
things, therefore it is negative for the whole cause.
BR
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Christopher Chan
<christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk> wrote:
Gabriel,
Grow up. It is pretty clear that few are interested in seeing a name change
and I personally like how OpenIndiana connects things back to the roots of
Illumos. If you do not like it, you are free to start your own distribution
and call it whatever you like.
Now if you wanted to contribute packages, had good quality contributions and
you are being excluded for some non-technical reason, then you would have a
case. Just because James was a bit more direct than others does not mean he
is trying to shut you up but is pointing out that this change name thing is
concluded.
Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
"OpenIndiana is part of the Illumos Foundation, and provides a true
open source community alternative to Solaris 11 and Solaris 11
Express, with an open development model and full community
participation."
James, shutting up the mouth of others does not fit in that description.
Just wanted to help, and expecting some basic politeness wasn't really
much to ask. Terms such as Open- or community don't really fit such an
attitude.
Good luck
Gab
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Gabriel de la Cruz
<gabriel.delac...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, if please don't help. no help then.
cheers
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:59 PM, James O'Gorman<ja...@netinertia.co.uk>
wrote:
On 9 Oct 2010, at 17:07, Gabriel de la Cruz wrote:
I like as well other variations such as "Indiana CORE". That will work
if we intend this distro to be the mother-ship distro, and we intend
others to derive from it.
Illumos is the "core". We are a distribution of Illumos. Other
distributions should also be derived from Illumos, not from us.
Can we drop all these name discussions now, please?
James
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